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Discerning a False Prophet: Damon Thompson's Ramp Points Down (Secret Mountain of God's Presence part 1)

This is not something that I really want to do. I have spent time in prayer and thought about doing this before beginning. By doing this I stand to lose friends.  By doing this I know I will be opening myself up to critical remarks and outrage (hopefully putting that will diffuse some of it lest I claim to be a prophet like our person in question here).  I worry about how this will come off and be received, but following a seminar I attended Saturday I feel that this is a way to stand up for Truth and the restoration of New Testament Christianity. Yet, that is not my sole purpose for doing this.

The main reason I am doing this is because souls are at risk. Some of these souls belong to people I love from my youth (you know who you are). I can no longer in good conscience not try to say something or point to truth that will hopefully open the eyes of a group of people who are slowly being ravaged by a wolf in sheep’s clothing. 

I hesitate to even call Damon Thompson, a current charismatic teacher and self-proclaimed prophet, a wolf in sheep’s clothing because he pretty much revels in his unconventional appearance. Tattooed and until recently, dreadlocked, he is much more a wolf in tiger’s clothing. That is not the issue at hand though.

Damon Thompson, false teacher, is one of the main teachers at a place called The Ramp in Hamilton, AL.  Under the puppetry of Karen Wheaton  Towe and an outfit out of Mobile, AL, Damon Thompson’s popularity and fame is spreading throughout the Christian landscape.  With his slick style of speaking and his southern drawl, he is indeed alluring and a captivating speaker (think Bill Clinton without the whining).  His care free attitude and rebellious nature is often on display in his speaking and that of course is very alluring to his main audience, teenagers and 20-something’s.  Like bait in a trap, his words, method, and charm draw them in as he speaks of his  personal revelations with the Holy Spirit or his thoughts about what God has in store for their “generation,” none of which are in scripture.  He will often drift off into speaking in tongues (with no one to translate) or begin to breathe heavily as he pretends that he has some special feeling.  All these things are great but have a purpose.  The purpose is to point away from the fact that this man, Damon Thompson, false-teacher, has no idea what he is talking about and his Biblical teaching is so false that it should make any Christian who has the word truly written on their heart weep.

As I stated above, there are souls on the line here.  I see person after person flock to this MAN (he’s just a man, despite what he wants you to believe) and they lap up his word like a lost puppy who finds a home that will take them in laps up the love that family will give.  I say enough and I am taking it upon myself to expose the Biblical lies and heresy that this apostate is teaching.  I hope that some will follow and will join me in exposing this false teacher, this supposed prophet, this speaker of lies and deception.  Luckily, he has provided us just the right avenue for such.

It seems that The Ramp, Wheaton/Towe, and Mr. Thompson think that their message is good enough and important enough to podcast.  Well, if they are going to offer that avenue to expose themselves, I will take the opportunity to point out the flaws and you can easily find them and listen to them yourself to see who is right.  As long as they post them, I will discern them in the hope that someone who has been sucked in by this false teacher and his cronies will see that what this man teaches does not align with scripture.  Remember, that is our authority, that is our truth.  Note that I do not want to be accused of taking anything the false teacher says out of context so I will give the time frame of the podcast that I am discussing so that you can go back and check (assuming they will leave them up) and hear that what I am saying comes from his mouth.  One podcast may be broken into several different postings because there is so much nonsense that needs to be addressed.  I know the podcast in question starting with this post will, as just the first fifteen minutes contain so many lies and deceptions that I honestly dread trying to discuss them all.  I hope you will listen to the podcast though and read along, comparing what I and the word of God are saying, to the apostasy that this false teacher is espousing.

We’ll begin this exercise with the most recently provided podcast.  This one is from January 27, 2010 and what I suppose is their normal Wednesday night service.  The podcast and speech is entitled ”Secret Mountain of God’s Presence.”  The podcast only contains the one hour-long message from Damon Thompson so what went on before or after is a mystery to me.  Here we go:

  • 00:01 – 04:30:  Damon begins his message by exhorting those who are listening to want to become faith healers.  He says that he has received ”revelation” that he wants to see blind people see, but not in the sense that the spiritually blind be made to see the truth that only the gospel brings, but he wants himself and his disciples (can I call them that?) to actually begin healing people.  This is a topic he returns to many times.  He then touts about his first gospel meeting and how through his “marking” people were being healed (note, he says this without actually saying it.)  Damon, supposing you read this, can you please put us in contact with those people who were healed so that we don’t just have to take your word for it?  I’ve never seen you, or anyone for that matter, heal the lame, blind, deaf, or wheelchair bound.  Sorry, because of your teaching and arrogance though, I can’t just take your word for it.  Is this why you prey on gullible youth?
  • 04:31 – 04:38:  HUGE ERROR – He says that classic theologians do not consider the book of John to be a gospel.  WHO????  Who are these classic theologians?  What a lie that is.  What is a gospel?  The good news of Jesus Christ.  Sir, Damon, of the four gospels, none contain more Christology, good news, record of Christ’s life and death, than the book of John.  You say that John is not a historical account but a “revelation,” yet what sets John apart from the synoptic gospels is that it contains so much more detail, eyewitness detail, than the other three books.  Perhaps the reason you want to take away from the book of John though is because John is what’s known as the new convert gospel, the one that if you really want to teach someone about Christ, you turn there.  Of all the gospels, John can so quickly and easily debunk all pagan philosophy and mysticism with Christology that you are left with nothing to teach or believe but Jesus on the cross.  Perhaps you do this because in your sermon you are leading up to teaching mysticism (it’s coming).  I see what you are doing because you are certainly not teaching Christ.  If you can convince your audience that the great book of John was given by “revelation,” the more likely you will be able to convince them that your “revelations” are true.  Sneaky, sneaky.  You are purposely taking away from the authority of scripture by saying that the book of John is not a historical record.  That is one of the central beliefs of Christians that yes, Matthew, Mark, and John are indeed EYEWITNESS (historical) accounts and that Luke was written from interviewing eyewitnesses.  Is John’s book of Revelation a revelation given to John, yes, and oddly enough, it is so entitled.  The gospel of John, although surely inspired by the Holy Spirit as is all scripture, is not a “revelation” though.  It IS a historical account written after the other books, almost a filling in the blanks, if you will.  To further prove that John was giving a historical account, one needs look no further than 1 John 1, where John is reminding the church of what he and the apostles taught them.  It is the same as what John 1, your proof text, says except he adds some things that prove they were real accountings.  I will allow the text to speak for itself.
  1. 1 John 1:1
    1. that which we have heard
    2. that which we have seen with our eyes
    3. that which we have touched with our hands (can you touch a “revelation” with your hands?)
  2. 1 John 1:3
    1. that which we have seen
    2. and heard
  • 04:38 – 05:00:  Five minutes in and my jaw dropped when hearing the statement that Damon Thompson makes next.  Building off of his now proven false assumption that the book of John is not a gospel but a “revelation”. he says the following: “He (John) gives us the basis for the theological idea that God is not monotheistic.  He gives us the trinity in a verse.”  HOW DANGEROUS A STATEMENT IS THAT?  The very basis of Christianity is that God is ONE.  This statement made by this false prophet Damon Thompson is the epitome of current emergent and post-modern thought and fuels the trend of believing that all will go to heaven (or at least you preach in churches that teach that don’t you Damon, more on that to come).  This is fueling a trend that we saw Israel suffer when they stopped worshipping One God and began their pagan worship.  Yet, the Bible stands in direct opposition to what you just said Damon Thompson.  To quote Dave Miller of Apologetics Press:

“The Bible repeatedly and frequently affirms the doctrine of monotheism and the unity of God: Deuteronomy 4:35,39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6,8; 45:5; 46:9; Mark 12:29; Romans 3:30; 1 Corinthians 8:4,6; 1 Timothy 2:5. These and many other passages indicate “there is but one infinite Spirit Being, and that within that one Spirit essence there are three personal distinctions, each of which may be, and is, called God” (Lanier, 1974, p. 46). There is only one divine essence (ousia) or nature (phusis)—a solidaric unity—one divine substance in (not and) three persons (prosopa or persona), with each “person” being the subsistence (hupostaseis) of the divine Essence”

Five minutes reader.  Five minutes into his “sermon” and Damon Thompson has already exposed himself as a false teacher who has no business attempting to teach others, much less impressionable young minds, the first thing about being a Christian.  That is all for the review of this sermon group session today.  I literally grow weary and sick listening to this and the amount of Christian and scriptural evidence piled against what this man teaches is mountainous.  I will continue and complete the discernment of this lesson in future posts and then we will move on to other speeches given by Damon Thompson.

Please note that before posting this, I have tried to contact Damon Thompson for comment.  He is very insulated though, which strangely enough is the exact opposite of many of the great true Christian authors and speakers of this day.  Just this morning I was on the phone with Tom Holland, who knows me from Adam.  Yet, he took my call, was easily reachable, and had no need for insulation.  I wonder why the difference?  I am making him aware of this and should he want to contact me, he has my information.  My hope is that he will come to repentance for this heresy he is spreading and will step down as a gospel teacher.  While none are perfect, few of us are reaping the monetary gain and infamy that would encourage one to continue in their sins as Damon Thompson is.  I pray that he will look to the cross for his forgiveness as do I each day of my imperfect life.

In conclusion, let me repeat what I said at first.  I know those of you who are his disciples will bash and rail against this.  Therefore save it.  Just accept it for what it is and the postings to come are.  The Truth.  Look at what you are being taught.  I know the human condition and I realize this will anger some of you.  I am sorry if it does but if the truth and exposure against false teaching causes you anger, don’t look inward, don’t look to me, don’t look to Damon Thompson, look toward the cross and the truth revealed in scripture.  My hope is that this makes you so dissatisfied with what you have been fed that you will look to other pastures in which the truth of Christ, His cross, His resurrection, and His coming again are properly taught in place of some man’s fanciful ideas about the world he, not God, wants.

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  • Shea says:

    Really? WOW! My jaw dropped after less than five minutes into your arrogant, pompous rant, degrading a man that you don’t know.

    April 1, 2010 at 10:46 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Shea, I am sorry you feel that way. I have attempted to contact Damon Thompson on more than one occassion in order to get to know him, therefore, I can only judge him by his teaching, which as pointed out in the post, is false. God bless you.

    April 2, 2010 at 12:49 pm
  • Matt says:

    Wow! You acuse Damon of being a false prophet when you are hte one offering many lies about him. Most of the things about his teaching that you raise issue with is either taking Damon out of context or your misunderstanding of scripture. I am in the process of writing a point by point response to your argument here…..I will get that to you shortly….

    April 6, 2010 at 9:13 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, please specifically state any lie on my part in the post. Please detail any taking out of context or misunderstanding of scripture. Also, if your points you intend to make are not based in scripture, please don’t bother. God bless you.

    April 6, 2010 at 11:50 pm
  • Matt says:

    My points are absolutely based in scripture, whereas many of yours are not. The Word is all I care about. I will show these lies and misunderstandings as when I post the point by point response. I should have it up later today of tomorrow…..

    April 7, 2010 at 6:39 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Many of my points are not based in scripture Matt? Please tell which ones.

    April 7, 2010 at 7:07 am
  • Chris says:

    I hope I understand you correctly on this. You do not believe in the Trinity of God?
    I think this will help me understand where you may be coming from.

    April 7, 2010 at 9:06 am
  • Matt says:

    They will all be detailed in my coming point by point post.

    April 7, 2010 at 9:20 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Chris, I am not sure where you are getting the context of your question. Perhaps if you frame it differently I will understand it better so I can address it.

    April 7, 2010 at 9:19 pm
  • Debbie says:

    Wow – how sad it is that when one of the greatest revelation teachers of all times begins to make a difference in the body of Christ, that there is someone out there AGAIN – ready to “expose” what they find to be false. My assumption is that you are a follower of the “other” teachings – and I bet you enjoy Osteen, Hagin, Copeland as well??? I would stake my life on Damon any day – never have I been so challenged in my faith and my walk as he has challenged me. Maybe if you listened to everything instead of focusing on something you really didn’t want to hear, you might learn. Part of maturity is knowing when to keep your mouth shut. Obviously something you haven’t grasped.

    April 8, 2010 at 8:09 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Hey Debbie. Thanks for reading and thanks for commenting. What is a revelation teacher and where is the biblical foundation of that? Your assumption is wrong and if you take some time to browse my website you would find that your statement is wrong. Also, you say “I would stake my life on Damon any day.” You should be careful as that sounds like you are teetering on idolatry. Perhaps you should stake your life on the Lord Jesus Christ instead and the truth about Him and His gospel as revealed in scripture. That, after all, is what the Bible commands us to do. God bless you.

    April 8, 2010 at 10:01 am
  • Caysi says:

    I am so glad that all these people who commented think that you are wrong about Damon. The Ramp, Karen, Damon and everyone involved have impacted my life so tremendously. Just because you don’t agree with everything he says does not make him a false prophet. From your post, it seems like you have said that you don’t believe in the trinity? You know, the 3 in 1… father, spirit and Son? They are all God. That’s what Damon said. Where was he wrong? You confuse me. I can only pray that God’s light will consume the darkness that is ignorance. God bless.

    April 8, 2010 at 2:51 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    The problem is not that I don’t agree with what Thompson says, the problem is that Scripture does not agree. You have put your faith in the dreams & visions of man. Read Colossians 2 to find where that leads. Your confusion of the Trinity should be self-explanatory. Perhaps you should use your Bible to explain your confusion to me. That is normally a foreign concept to many of Thompson’s followers though.

    April 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm
  • erin says:

    wow…. i am in shock. it kind of reminds me of the pharasies. if you catch my drift. God annoints certain people today, just like he did in biblical times. Damon is one of these men. when you walk into the Ramp, you can feel the presence of God. it is like a thick fog. you strike me as one of the men who sits their with his arms crossed, thinking i am not going to humble myself in front of these people. are you spirit filled? you told someone they where walking on the edge of idolitry, sounds to me that you are walking on the edge of blaspheming. i think that you should be getting the board out of your eye instead of picking te speck out of your brothers. i also think that you are twisting things to your benefit. i can spot people like you a mile away…. burying yourself in traditionalism. i do not see you liking anyone who is radical and straight forward. you probably like the type that tip toe around the tulips and make you feel good. the ones that play church politics because they do not want to offend any big tithe payers. the fact is Damon probably stepped on your toes. what i just did to you( by calling you out and talking negatively) is what you did to Damons ministry but more importantly you did it to God. i hope that you really press in and seek God about things because you will be held accountable for it. i will be praying that you have a revelation. love in Christ

    April 9, 2010 at 2:28 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Erin, I ask that you maybe do a quick study of Pharisees before you begin throwing that word around. It is expected though as it is the normal post-modern response when someone brings a false teacher’s teachings into question that the Pharisee card is played. I feel sorry for people who are so predictable. Just for giggles though, don’t forget that it was the Pharisees who tied righteousness to works. Last I checked, it is the word of faith and Pentecostal movement who so enjoy tying God’s gifts and “outpourings” to how much one tithes. I was just commenting to a Christian brother Wednesday night how great it was to attend a church where one is never asked to give love offerings and giving is never tied to how much one loves the Lord. I will ask that you do one thing in order to validate your comment though. You said that you felt I was twisting things to my benefit. Could you please give an example or was that simply an emotional response? If you cannot give an example then the latter is probably the truth. Everything else you said is simply speculation on your part, just like your faith in a man such as Damon Thompson. Do you really believe that he receives special non-Biblical revelations from God?

    April 9, 2010 at 2:58 pm
  • Joy says:

    For all of you defenders of Damon Thompson regarding his statement about Christianity not being monotheistic. If you look up the definition of montheism, it means one god. If you are not montheistic, then you are polytheistic, and that means you worship more than one god – multiple gods. Do you worship multiple gods? Yes, there is a trinity, but the trinity is one.
    As for new revelations from God, 2 Timothy 3:14-17 states, “But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” Now, if you believe these verses, then you admit that the Bible is complete and all that is needed for salvation. Why, then, would we need this new word/revelation, if the Bible is complete and inerrant? Did God forget something and need these self-styled prophets to let us in on the secret? John wrote Revelation, which tells about end times. If we know how it all ends, then why do we need extra-biblical revelations? What’s the point?
    As for burying ourselves in traditionalism, read the above verses about continuing in what was taught and in the sacred writings. Additionally, here is Paul’s command to the church in Thessalonica in 2 Thessalonians 2:15: “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” I suppose he would have had quite a problem with someone else coming in and changing things up. You can read 1 Timothy 2-3, Titus 1-2 and 1 Corinthians 14 to double check his instructions on church leadership and worship. He tells how the overseers are to be “the husband of one wife” (1 Tim. 3). I suppose it would be difficult for a woman to be the husband of one wife. I also suppose it would be hard to have a woman lead, since he tells us that women are not permitted to teach or exercise authority over a man (1 Tim. 2). He also tells us that worship is to be peaceful (1 Corinthians 14). I don’t see how jumping around and waving your socks in the air corresponds with peaceful, orderly worship. He also mentions in 1 Cor. 14 that if one speaks in tongues, there should be one to interpret. Do you have that? What kind of prophet would come into a place that completely disregards the scripture, and not condemn those who disregard it? Yet, instead of condemning it, he revels in it and pals up with those who do it.
    All the prophets of the Bible were despised, scorned, hated and poor. They didn’t have people flocking to see them; they didn’t live in $300K+ houses; they didn’t drive expensive cars; they didn’t own their own offices; and they certainly wouldn’t have disregarded the scriptures that were breathed out by Almighty God, Himself.

    April 10, 2010 at 7:53 pm
  • Matt says:

    Hello, my brother. I have been reading these comments and responses about Damon and I am intrigued considering the fact that he is speaking in both services at my church today. I respect you as a teacher of the Word and I love you as a brother in Christ. But before I comment, I must tell you that I am well grounded in the Word and a defendant in the authority of scripture when discerning between truth and error. What you have said of this man is a lie. He does not believe in polytheism or that the book of John was not an historic gospel account. Both accusations are ridiculous. He might of mispoke and said monotheistic but he was speaking of John proving the “trinity in a single verse” (I think you probably knew that). And speaking of John being seen as different from the other gospels because of his revelations does not mean that he doesnt believe it was an historical account (again, you probably knew this). You are well versed and well studied in scripture but your error is also very subtle and “sneaky, sneaky”. First, you began with an unnecessary personal attack on his appearance being “tattooed and dreadlocked” which was “not the issue at hand”. I would say this speaks to your spiritual maturity right off the bat! Second, to speak of his financial situation of which you do not know is bearing false witness at the very least (see the commandments), not to mention the comment of him being guarded and insulated (he has know obligation to respond to your attacks). And just for “giggles”, you take a shot at Karen Wheaton, the Ramp, and the “gullible” people who DO know and love them. Where is your biblical backing for all of this?…..be clear, because I am not one of these young people who can’t properly defend themselves biblically. By the way, if you want to know what the man’s core beliefs are, you can post their statement of faith and doctrinal beliefs from their website. i assume you would have a harder time dissecting what they ACTUALLY believe….no polytheism, mysticism, or idolatry. Looking forward to your justification and response.

    April 11, 2010 at 1:30 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Hey Matt, I appreciate your comments and your interest in the post. Let me say first off, if Thompson is speaking in your church today, perhaps you can report back to us regarding the amount of proper Biblical teaching he presents as opposed to his dreams, thoughts, and philosophy. That would be great if you are as you say, grounded in the word. I will make only one comment regarding what you said as your lack of reasoning disqualified you from receiving much more. Your statement to me is this: “What you have said of this man is a lie.” Sorry, but the only things I have said about Thompson are based off of his own wording and speech. Your justification for his error is: “he misspoke.” That is possibly the weakest and unreasonable defense I have heard of Thompson thus far. I feel for your church today as you are fleeced. You could stand up against it, but that is your choice as my words spoken here are mine. God bless.

    April 11, 2010 at 1:41 pm
  • Matt says:

    I do hope you are responding to my last reply. I want you to know that I am not a tongues speaker, have never been “slain in the spirit”, and do not consider myself a charismatic. So I dont “run with that camp”. But I do have a hard time with christian on christian attacks. As wrong as I believe you are, I dont question your Christianity or your motives. Damon is young and has probably been involved in thousands of conversions and changed lives. You say that souls are on the line? Yes they are! and the Holy Spirit is the one who draws ones heart to salvation. Not your doctrines, Damons smooth speaking, or my efforts. Are you delegitimizing the thousands who have cried out to God in repentance and been transformed because it might have happened at the Ramp or under the preaching of Damon Thompson? I know Damon. He believes that salvation comes through repentance of sin, belief in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and the decision to ask Jesus to come and take over our lives. Nothing added. To preach a salvation other than this would be heresy. Believing in tongues isnt heresy, nor is believing in a filling of the Holy Spirit. Nor is believing that the offices of Pastor, teacher, apostle, prophet, and evangelist are still alive. You might disagree with these things, you might be right. But it is a secondary point that is irrelevant to whether someone made a true commitment to Christ. Error on the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, Jesus death on the cross and resurrection; these are heaven and hell issues. There are many people that are worshipping church, denomination, doctrine, law, and even the bible. All of these are idolatry. Focus on worshipping and serving Christ instead of knocking your brothers and sisters who have a few disagreements with you.

    April 11, 2010 at 1:49 pm
  • Matt says:

    Have you ever misspoke? Said the wrong word or phrase? Anyway, to answer your question: In the morning service he spoke out of Mark and the necessity to stay close to Jesus. He also led a rock solid alter call to salvation. “Jesus died for you and your sins”. “He is the only atonement for your sin”. “His mercy and grace is a gift that can never be deserved”….no tongues, no visions, no prophecies. About 30 people came forward for salvation then baptism. Do we need your approval first, or can they go ahead and start living the rest of their lives for Christ?

    April 11, 2010 at 1:59 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, yes,the Holy Spirit is the one that draws men to salvation. How does scripture tell us that is done? Through the teaching of the scripture alone. The word of God, not men’s visions, thoughts, dreams, or wants. Thanks for answering the question I asked. The problem is that Damon teaches people that the word is not enough and that more must be added. Listen to what he is saying and you will see.

    April 11, 2010 at 2:14 pm
  • Matt says:

    P.s.- I am still waiting for your justification and biblical backing for attacking the mans appearance, for attacking Karen Wheaton, the Ramp, and basically anyone associated with them. And what about the “monetary gain” and “insulation” comment? Make sure you have verses to back up the personal attacks, assumptions, and gossip.

    April 11, 2010 at 2:15 pm
  • Matt says:

    In response to your last post: No, he does not teach that more must be added to the word…ever! And he definitely doesnt teach that anything needs to be added to Jesus’ work in order to be saved. Again, you are misrepresenting the man’s beliefs. What is your justification for this?

    April 11, 2010 at 2:19 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, scripture tells us we are to be in the world but not of it. When every essence of your being, your wardrobe, your tattoos, your speech, and your messages point to making you relevant to not only the world, but the world of immature, gullible, weak, and unlearned youth, that is a violation of that scripture. The message they teach is be like us, not be like Christ and his disciples.

    April 11, 2010 at 2:41 pm
  • Matt says:

    I am assuming that it is not so easy when someone quotes you and your unbiblical personal attacks and name calling. The truth is that there is NO justification for the slander or name calling. But the truth is that I have done the same thing at times. So I am not condemning you, I just know that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. There is no humility in the aggressive attack on anything that doesnt match our dogmatic views. What is the fruit of the spirit?…love? joy? peace? gentleness? kindness? And what about the fruit of following the flesh?…hostility? quarreling? dissension? division? This post seems to be nothing more than a non-charismatic, well-meaning believer who has a serious problem with charismatic believers. I am a little of both so I get both sides and their point of view. And it is interesting that over half of the more than one billion professed protestant believers in the world are charismatic. Are all 500 million plus professed believers to be dismissed as fakes. Wolves in sheeps clothing? I truly pray that God blesses your ministry. But please focus on souls instead of slaughtering the sheep.

    April 11, 2010 at 3:03 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, this is meant to squash a group of people who are using divisive means to convince people they are part of “Joel’s army.” This is here because as Hebrews tells us, anything found in the New Testament is better than what is found in the Old Testament. This is meant to put an end to people dragging people out into the woods and away from their families and sound biblical teaching to take vows meant for people who have never had a Savior die for their sins. It sounds like you have a perfect opportunity in your life tonight to stand for the Bible. Will you take it?

    April 11, 2010 at 3:08 pm
  • Matt says:

    In response to your “be not of this world” post: by be like Jesus, I assume you mean a nice dress shirt, pressed slacks, dress shoes, a shaven face, a king james bible, and probably a hymn book. What did Jesus look like? What about his disciples? Like a nice upper middle class american accountant? Would Jesus be welcome in your church or would the blood and dirt on his feet stain the carpet? And I would love to hear your explanation of what looking and acting like Jesus would look like in todays world. He probably looked more like Damon than you and me! And you said to not be relevant to this world. Then I guess Jesus had a serious biblical problem. He was pretty relevant to whores, drunkards, and tax collectors. Check your legalism my friend.

    April 11, 2010 at 3:14 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, you are really stretching now and I am sorry for your obvious confusion. Christ is welcome in our church and we know he is there. You obviously don’t understand the word relevance. Relevance is speaking of making yourself appealing to a certain people, a certain class, a certain cultural desire. What the Bible promises is that if you follow Christ, you will be relevant to no one who is worldly. Thompson makes himself look like the world in order to be appealing to the world. Surely you are smart enough to make that deduction now.

    April 11, 2010 at 3:19 pm
  • Matt says:

    I stand for Jesus. I live by the word. And you have still not answered the questions about your slander, gossip, and personal attacks on people you have never met. Let me know when you are ready to answer those questions. and you can add the “drag them out in the woods and away from their families” comment to your list of lies.

    April 11, 2010 at 3:19 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Hey Matt, I suppose your confusion comes from the fact that you do not understand the difference between a FACT and the other words that you used. The things I have said are true and based in reality. I will leave the ball in your court to decide to believe fact or a man’s dreams and visions. Your questions have been answered and unless you can Biblically defend Thompson’s false teaching or his aligning with people who believe there is no Hell, your time and ability to add to this conversation has probably expired.

    April 11, 2010 at 3:28 pm
  • Matt says:

    Once again, you refuse to deal with your attitude, name calling, gossip and slander. So I ask again: What is your justification for the gossip, slander, and name calling about people that you do not know? And Damon looks like the world? Damon looks like know one that I have ever seen?! What does a “christian” look like? What does a “christian” dress like? And don’t insult my intelligence, I know what relevance means and Jesus’ attitude, tone, spirit, and message was relevant to those who were in need of a savior. So yes, I can deduce. Your arguments are pretty easy to dismantle. Your approach goes something like this: Find someone that you can tear down publicly, have a dogmatic and legalistic approach toward anyone who might disagree with you, then tear them down by insulting their intelligence or take advantage of their lack of biblical education. And when you are challenged on your obviously sinful and unbiblical attitude, you ignore it. Nice approach.

    April 11, 2010 at 8:51 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, you are entitled to your opinion and I appreciate you taking the time to share it here. My final comments to you will be this. If it is considered legalistic to ask people to adhere to teaching the word of God (that’s the Bible) as the apostles ask us to (I am supposing you are not part of the camp of Charismatics who consider Paul’s writings worthy of ignoring), then mark me legalistic. I hope that you will soon stop believing in man and will soon place your faith in the scripture alone. Compare what you are being taught to the word of God, the complete and perfect revelation, and I am certain you will eventually come to see the error that so many are working to expose. God bless you.

    April 11, 2010 at 8:58 pm
  • Matt says:

    I am the Matt that said I had a point by point response. The Matt that had Damon at his church is a different Matt. I was at those services however, and they were great. I too am not just some “gullible” youth but am very well studied in the Word. It is my passion to study scripture and I consume alot of time in study. I also still waiting for you to answer how you biblically justify slander, gossip, and name-calling. That is not biblical. So anyways here is my point-by-point response. Your statements are indented and mine are not.

    “This is not something that I really want to do. I have spent time in prayer and thought about doing this
    before beginning. By doing this I stand to lose friends. By doing this I know I will be opening myself up to
    critical remarks and outrage (hopefully putting that will diffuse some of it lest I claim to be a prophet like
    our person in question here).”

    Actually Damon doesn’t claim to be a prophet but rather that he operates with a prophetic edge or gifting. Other people have called Damon a prophet, but Damon does not claim this about himself. He teaches that not all are prophets but that all Christians should operate prophetically…..So right off of the bat you are lying about him. Lie # 1 = Damon is a self-proclaimed prophet.

    So should all Christians operate prophetically according to scripture? Acts 2:17-18, Romans 12:6, 1 Cor. 12:10, 1 Cor. 13:9, 1 Cor. 14:1, 24, 31, 39. Yeah so far the weight of scripture shows Damon to be biblically accurate.

    As far as outrage, this is not outrage, but rather a seeking for truth.

    “I worry about how this will come off and be received, but following a seminar I attended Saturday I feel
    that this is a way to stand up for Truth and the restoration of New Testament Christianity. Yet, that is not
    my sole purpose for doing this.”

    We do need to stand up for truth, and that is one of the reasons why I am responding to you.

    “The main reason I am doing this is because souls are at risk. Some of these souls belong to people I love
    from my youth (you know who you are).”

    Many souls do hang in the balance and it is good to check everything, Damon himself teaches this. He has said many times not to just take him at his word, but to check it for yourself and see if it stands against scripture. That is what I am going to do.

    “I can no longer in good conscience not try to say something or point to truth that will hopefully open the
    eyes of a group of people who are slowly being ravaged by a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    I could not longer in good conscience allow you to present lies and half truths in attacking this man. That is why I am writing.

    “I hesitate to even call Damon Thompson, a current charismatic teacher and self-proclaimed prophet, a
    wolf in sheep’s clothing because he pretty much revels in his unconventional appearance.”

    He is not a “self-proclaimed prophet”. He has not claimed this about himself. You may need to know the man before you say he revels in his “unconventional” appearance (which is only unconventional to certain people……..where I am from, it is perfectly conventional and normal.). He does not revel in it, actually Damon did not want dreads but he had to grow them for a specific reason that is between him and God, but he does not revel in it. Actually in a recent meeting Damon said he didn’t care if he had to go back to dress clothes and look as you would say “conventional”. To Damon it is not about the style of dress or look, but rather about a heart burning with passionate love for Jesus. That is it. Funny how you don’t know him and you attack him for his appearance but then claim you are only judging by his teaching. Again another lie. Lie # 2 = You are only judging by his teaching.

    “Tattooed and until recently, dreadlocked, he is much more a wolf in tiger’s clothing. That is not the issue
    at hand though.”

    It is interesting to me how you look at outward appearance while God looks at the heart. You are borderline Pharisee on this. And no I am not just saying that because you are attacking Damon. The pharisees focused on the outward, while God looked at the heart. (1 Sam. 16:7). So where is scripture does it say dreadlocks are wrong and that you have to dress “conventional”? What about John the Baptist? He was the most unconventional looking guy, does that mean he was not of God and reveled in his unconventional look? Of course not. You are just looking for something to attack. But as you said, this is not the issue at hand.

    “Damon Thompson, false teacher, is one of the main teachers at a place called The Ramp in Hamilton, AL.
    Under the puppetry of Karen Wheaton Towe and an outfit out of Mobile, AL, Damon Thompson’s popularity
    and fame is spreading throughout the Christian landscape.”

    He is not under the puppetry of Karen or the ministry in Mobile. Damon has his own ministry and just has connections to these 2 groups. And he is not seeking to be famous, but rather to make Jesus famous.

    “With his slick style of speaking and his southern drawl, he is indeed alluring and a captivating speaker
    (think Bill Clinton without the whining).”

    Do not think Bill Clinton. That is a horrible comparison. Damon is anointed in his speaking, it is not special skill that makes Damon alluring, but rather it is the presence of God. I know many people who HATE his southern drawl and style of speaking, but they love Damon because of the anointing he carries.

    “His care free attitude and rebellious nature is often on display in his speaking and that of course is very
    alluring to his main audience, teenagers and 20-something’s.”

    2 problems here:

    1. Damon’s main audience is not teenagers and 20-somethings. Damon spends most of his time traveling as an evangelist speaking to adults. He speaks to teens and 20’s at the Ramp, but the Ramp is not Damon’s Ministry, it is Karen Wheaton’s, and the majority of his preaching is not there anyways. He travels nationwide speaking to adults. You need to get your facts straight before you start making assumptions and attacking him.

    2. What do you consider a care free attitude and rebellious nature? The fact that he teaches and strives to live as close to God and as far from sin as possible. The fact that he is submitted to spiritual authority in his life and invites them to correct and rebuke him because he wants to be right, not just look right. The fact that he has many spiritual sons and daughters who he teaches about authority. Or maybe you just think he is rebellious because he does not dress up, and his voice fluctuates as he speaks. Maybe it is because he dances and shouts. If you are going to call him rebellious you should be able to state why. Or do you just not like him and so you are just calling him whatever you want as an attack. That is not Christ like. Damon is the farthest thing from rebellious I have seen. Oh yeah but you are saying this without even knowing him so of course you must be right.

    “Like bait in a trap, his words, method, and charm draw them in as he speaks of his personal revelations
    with the Holy Spirit or his thoughts about what God has in store for their “generation,” none of which are in
    scripture.”

    So apparently you don’t believe the Holy Spirit speaks. These “personal revelations” are not “personal revelations”, but rather are just what Damon hears the Holy Spirit leading him to say. So again I ask is this biblical? Matt 10:19-20, John 16:13 – there are many more, but these will do. So yes the Holy Spirit can speak to us and through us as he guides us into all truth (revelation). Again I will continue to offer biblical proof as you have offered none thus far.

    And none of the “revelations” go against scripture. God told me who my wife was going to be before I married her. It is not written in the Bible that I was going to marry a girl named April, but that does not mean it wasn’t from God. The way to see if it is from God or not is first to see if it lines up with scripture, like me seeking God’s will for my wife does, and then see if it points people to Jesus or if is points people away from Jesus. So what personal revelation in particular is not biblical and points away from Jesus? Don’t just make accusations, prove them. You offer no biblical or contextual proof. Where is it?

    “He will often drift off into speaking in tongues (with no one to translate)”

    I am not going to go into a teaching on tongues, but you need to do a little more study on this. Not all tongues are meant for interpretation according to scripture.

    “or begin to breathe heavily as he pretends that he has some special feeling.”

    Amazing how you have placed yourself at godhood by knowing that he is pretending. Wow, I never knew you were all-knowing like God and know what everyone is actually feeling. Wow, you are arrogant enough to claim to know what Damon is feeling when you do not know him. You are getting more un-Christlike by the paragraph. Jesus was God but made himself of no reputation, you are not God and make yourself out to be like god…..wow, welcome to idolatry. I am not saying this to attack you, but to show you how wrong your statements are. You say Damon is faking these feelings, and you offer no proof that he is, but you claim it as a fact anyway.

    “All these things are great but have a purpose. The purpose is to point away from the fact that this man,
    Damon Thompson, false-teacher, has no idea what he is talking about and his Biblical teaching is so false
    that it should make any Christian who has the word truly written on their heart weep.”

    You are simply wrong. Your attitude and attack is what is making me weep. I have spent many many years studying the Word. I have studied theology and have found Damon’s teaching to be very biblically accurate. Damon himself has 2 doctorates in biblical studies and theology. He has studied the word of God deeply for many years. You thus far have offered attack after attack with no biblical proof. Where is your points based in scripture. Why do you have to lean on personal attacks instead of scripture?

    “As I stated above, there are souls on the line here. I see person after person flock to this MAN (he’s just
    a man, despite what he wants you to believe)”

    Yes he is just a man, and he is the first one to tell you that. People are not flocking to Damon, but to Jesus. I enjoy Damon’s teaching and love going to the ramp, but not because of Damon or the ramp, but because I love getting together with others who care only about seeking the face of Jesus. Damon even has said many times that he only wants to be a person who points people to Jesus. He has turned down many tv appearances and other places because he is not looking to be well known.

    “and they lap up his word like a lost puppy who finds a home that will take them in laps up the love that
    family will give.”

    It makes me weep that you can be so arrogant to think that every person who likes Damon must check their brain at the door. You assume that every person who likes Damon is just some lost puppy with no understanding of scripture. You again are showing so much arrogance.

    “I say enough and I am taking it upon myself to expose the Biblical lies and heresy that this apostate is
    teaching. I hope that some will follow and will join me in exposing this false teacher, this supposed
    prophet, this speaker of lies and deception. Luckily, he has provided us just the right avenue for such.”

    I will address these points as I go and we will see who is the real speaker of lies and deception. And luckily you have provided the right avenue for such….this post.

    “It seems that The Ramp, Wheaton/Towe, and Mr. Thompson think that their message is good enough and
    important enough to podcast. Well, if they are going to offer that avenue to expose themselves, I will take
    the opportunity to point out the flaws and you can easily find them and listen to them yourself to see who
    is right.”

    I have listened to them, and I will go point by point.

    “As long as they post them, I will discern them in the hope that someone who has been sucked in by this
    false teacher and his cronies will see that what this man teaches does not align with scripture.”

    I will show you that they do line up with scripture and that you are the one who doesn’t.

    “Remember, that is our authority, that is our truth. Note that I do not want to be accused of taking
    anything the false teacher says out of context so I will give the time frame of the podcast that I am
    discussing so that you can go back and check (assuming they will leave them up) and hear that what I am
    saying comes from his mouth.”

    The problem is that to keep something in context you can’t just take one message. You have to know what he teaches as a whole. Because some of the things you say are not what he believes. We will address this as we go.

    “One podcast may be broken into several different postings because there is so much nonsense that needs
    to be addressed. I know the podcast in question starting with this post will, as just the first fifteen minutes
    contain so many lies and deceptions that I honestly dread trying to discuss them all.”

    As we have seen the first few paragraphs you have already said lies. Let’s see how many more are on here.

    “I hope you will listen to the podcast though and read along, comparing what I and the word of God are
    saying, to the apostasy that this false teacher is espousing.”

    I will and have, and I hope you listen to what the word of God is actually saying.

    “We’ll begin this exercise with the most recently provided podcast. This one is from January 27, 2010 and
    what I suppose is their normal Wednesday night service. The podcast and speech is entitled ”Secret
    Mountain of God’s Presence.” The podcast only contains the one hour-long message from Damon
    Thompson so what went on before or after is a mystery to me.”

    Worship went on before, and an altar call and worship went on after.

    “Here we go:
    • 00:01 – 04:30:”

    Just thought I would point out that you do not use one scripture in this section…..sad……you tell me to use scripture, but you do not…..that is hypocritical.

    “Damon begins his message by exhorting those who are listening to want to become faith healers.”

    This is simply not true. He actually starts by saying “I want to see people so impacted by the real Jesus that they become undeniable unexplainable expressions of the Love of God walking in the earth”

    He does not exhort those who are listening to be faith healers, but rather to desire to see people healed. Amazing how you twist what he says right off the bat. He says we wants to see sick people healed and you have twisted it to say you want to that he is raising up “faith healers”. So let’s look at scripture. Is desiring people to be healed biblical? 3 John 2, Psalm 103:2-3, 1 Peter 2:4, Acts 5:16, James 5:15-16. There are many more, but this should do seeing as you offered none. So far Damon is biblically accurate. You however are not.

    “He says that he has received ”revelation” that he wants to see blind people see, but not in the sense that t
    the spiritually blind be made to see the truth that only the gospel brings, but he wants himself and his
    disciples (can I call them that?) to actually begin healing people.”

    First, no you cannot call us Damon’s disciples. I am Jesus’ disciple and His alone, and he does not say that he does not want to see spiritually blind people see the truth, but rather says that phrase is about physical blindness. He still wants to see blind people see the truth.

    Second, He does not say he received “revelation” that he wants to see blind people see. The only things he speaks of “revelation” is saying seeing Jesus do miracles moved him to get revelation. Revelation is just another word for an uncovering or unveiling. So when Damon saw the miracles of Jesus in scripture, it moved him to have a concept of the nature of God revealed to him through scripture.

    So are you saying that we cannot understand anything in scripture that we did not understand before? That is all revelation is in this context. When a lost person gets saved they got a revelation of the fact that Jesus is their savior. So revelation is just the revealing of biblical truth to you by the Spirit. This is biblical. John 16:13, 1 Cor. 2:10….Again you offer no biblical proof.

    Then he says that revelation (the revealed biblical truth) must transition into manifestation. In other words the truth of scripture cannot just be a mental idea, but we must live out what scripture says. Is this biblical? (James 1:22)…..Again you offer no scriptural proof of anything.

    “This is a topic he returns to many times. He then touts about his first gospel meeting and how through
    his “marking” people were being healed (note, he says this without actually saying it.)”

    You are lying here. He does not say that he “marked” anyone. Lie # 3 = Saying that Damon said without saying people were healed by his marking. He says that the messages he preached marked (impacted) him. He actually says nobody else probably even remembers those messages. He is not speaking of people being healed, but rather that the messages about Jesus healing people marked (had an impact on) him that caused him to want to see people healed the same way. He never even hints to the idea that people are healed by his marking. You are simply lying. He does not say this at all. He does not even hint to this idea.

    “Damon, supposing you read this, can you please put us in contact with those people who were healed so
    that we don’t just have to take your word for it? I’ve never seen you, or anyone for that matter, heal the
    lame, blind, deaf, or wheelchair bound.”

    I can tell you of some of the people I have seen healed in ramp meetings. It had nothing to do with the ramp or Damon, but rather the Power of God. But a friend of mine was deaf in one ear because he was born with no bones in that ear. We were in a meeting at the ramp and we were worshipping and Damon said God wants to heal people and my friend immediately could hear out of his ear. A few days later he went to the doctor and had an x-ray and the bones were forming in the ear. I was in a car wreck that put me in the hospital. I was told I would not be able to walk for at least 6 months, we prayed and 6 days later I was walking running and jumping in the altar at my church. There are many more, but you should judge what is real based on scripture and not your experience. Truth does not change based on if you see it or not. So by this paragraph you are telling us that you don’t build your belief on scripture (which you haven’t quoted yet), but rather on what you have seen……again you are the one being unbiblical, not Damon.

    “Sorry, because of your teaching and arrogance though, I can’t just take your word for it. Is this why you
    prey on gullible youth?”

    Your arrogance shines through again. Anyone who agrees with Damon must be gullible right? Cause it is impossible for me to have any knowledge of scripture. I must be some backwoods ignorant person to like Damon. Funny, you don’t know me or the people you are calling gullible, but you are arrogant enough to label us. And like I said, most of Damon’s ministering is to adults, not youth. So you call Damon arrogant, but your statements are more arrogant than anything I have heard from Damon.

    “• 04:31 – 04:38: HUGE ERROR – He says that classic theologians do not consider the book of John
    to be a gospel. WHO???? Who are these classic theologians? What a lie that is.”

    So you are completely taking a slip of the tongue out of context. If you listen to other messages in the podcasts, Damon clearly says that classic theologians do not consider John a SYNOPTIC Gospel and actually Damon calls the gospel of John a gospel in another message. See, you have no idea what he believes but you take one phrase and attack him as a false prophet. When Damon was preaching this message he made a slip of the tongue and left out the word synoptic. You show your ignorance by not taking time to really find out what Damon believes before you bash him, and you show your lack of grace for someone who made a slip of the tongue. You again are getting more and more un-Christlike as we go. Do a little more research next time before presenting lies about Damon.

    “What is a gospel? The good news of Jesus Christ. Sir, Damon, of the four gospels, none contain more
    Christology, good news, record of Christ’s life and death, than the book of John.”

    I agree and so does Damon. In another message Damon calls John a love letter. Why? Because it is so Christological in nature. It focuses on who Jesus was more than what Jesus did. The stories of what He did focus on His nature, not the event.

    “You say that John is not a historical account but a “revelation,” yet what sets John apart from the synoptic
    gospels is that it contains so much more detail, eyewitness detail, than the other three books.”

    Damon is NOT saying that the book of John is not historically accurate, but you can use eyewitness detail for different things. I can use eyewitness detail to describe the event in perfect detail with the focus on the event (historical), or I can use eye witness detail to show the event and how that event reveals the nature of the person involved in the event (revelation). Both of these ways are historically accurate. Damon does not disagree that it contains more eyewitness detail, but is showing that that detail is used not for historical facts, but for revealing the Son of God in His glory.

    “Perhaps the reason you want to take away from the book of John though is because John is what’s known
    as the new convert gospel, the one that if you really want to teach someone about Christ, you turn there.
    Of all the gospels, John can so quickly and easily debunk all pagan philosophy and mysticism with
    Christology that you are left with nothing to teach or believe but Jesus on the cross. Perhaps you do this
    because in your sermon you are leading up to teaching mysticism (it’s coming).”

    Damon is not taking away from the book of John, you are. The reason John is the new convert gospel is because it reveals who Jesus is, not just historical facts about him. You are taking away the revealing of Jesus and offering historical stories. I’m sorry, but stories never save anyone, but the living Christ revealed does. You are destroying the book of John, not Damon.

    I will address, the supposed mysticism when we get there.

    “I see what you are doing because you are certainly not teaching Christ. If you can convince your
    audience that the great book of John was given by “revelation,” the more likely you will be able to
    convince them that your “revelations” are true. Sneaky, sneaky.”

    So you don’t believe the book of John was given by revelation. This identifies you as a false teacher right here.

    2 Tim 3:16 – All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    You deny that scripture is inspired by God (revealed by God or revelation) therefore you make the Bible just a
    history book and not the infallible word of God. You are a false teacher.

    “You are purposely taking away from the authority of scripture by saying that the book of John is not a
    historical record.”

    Actually you are purposely taking away from the authority of scripture by placing the historical record on the shoulders of men’s memory rather than the revelation of God. You place the authority of scripture on man, Damon places it on God.

    “That is one of the central beliefs of Christians that yes, Matthew, Mark, and John are indeed EYEWITNESS
    (historical) accounts and that Luke was written from interviewing eyewitnesses.”

    Damon believes that the gospels, including John, are written from eyewitness accounts. But the question is what the eyewitness accounts were used for. In John the focus is the revealing (revelation) of Jesus’ nature, not a detail of events. The events are used in John to point to the nature of Jesus as the Son of God, not to the nature of events.

    “Is John’s book of Revelation a revelation given to John, yes, and oddly enough, it is so entitled. The
    gospel of John, although surely inspired by the Holy Spirit as is all scripture, is not a “revelation” though.”

    Really? So John had an eyewitness account to call Jesus the Word in John 1. He witnessed first hand that In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God. He saw that with his own eyes in the beginning. It was an absolute revelation while being historically accurate using eyewitness accounts. But the purpose of John is not to be a historical document, but a theological revealing (revelation) of Jesus as the Son of God.

    “It IS a historical account written after the other books, almost a filling in the blanks, if you will.”

    It fills in the blanks of Jesus’ nature. Taking the info of the synoptic gospels and expounding on them to reveal the Son of God.

    “To further prove that John was giving a historical account, one needs look no further than 1 John 1, where
    John is reminding the church of what he and the apostles taught them. It is the same as what John 1, your
    proof text, says except he adds some things that prove they were real accountings. I will allow the text to
    speak for itself.”

    The text does speak for itself, but you are adding assumptions that aren’t in the text. You assume that 1 John is saying the same thing as John 1. Where does 1st John 1 speak of the Word becoming flesh? Where does first John speak of the Word being in the beginning and being God and also being with God? Where? It doesn’t. It simply speaks of the light and darkness.

    You also miss something. 1 John 1:1 does not only say seen and touched with our hands. It says heard. You can hear revelation and see revelation (like in the book of Revelation). The key being that there was a mix of revelation and things they experienced. You cannot take one phrase and leave out the other.

    “1. 1 John 1:1
    1. that which we have heard
    2. that which we have seen with our eyes
    3. that which we have touched with our hands (can you touch a “revelation” with your hands?)
    2. 1 John 1:3
    1. that which we have seen
    2. and heard
    • 04:38 – 05:00: Five minutes in and my jaw dropped when hearing the statement that Damon
    Thompson makes next. ”

    I can understand why your jaw dropped, but I promise it is simply a misunderstanding. And I can prove it.

    “Building off of his now proven false assumption that the book of John is not a gospel but a “revelation”.”

    Actually he believes John is a gospel, but not a synoptic gospel, and it is a revelation of who Jesus is as the Son of God while being completely historically accurate.

    “he says the following: “He (John) gives us the basis for the theological idea that God is not monotheistic.
    He gives us the trinity in a verse.” HOW DANGEROUS A STATEMENT IS THAT? The very basis of
    Christianity is that God is ONE.”

    This statement can be taken wrong if you do not know what Damon believes. Damon even speaks of the trinity, which by definition says that God is ONE. So what is Damon referencing here? He is saying that God is not monotheistic in the way the people in John’s day understood monotheism. But instead God is ONE eternally existing in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    Here is the quote from the ramp website’s statement of faith.“We believe in one God, eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.”

    So you are taking Damon out of context. He DOES believe that GOD IS ONE……..

    “This statement made by this false prophet Damon Thompson is the epitome of current emergent and post-
    modern thought”

    Damon does not think with post-modern thought. He believes God is ONE.

    “and fuels the trend of believing that all will go to heaven (or at least you preach in churches that teach
    that don’t you Damon, more on that to come).”

    Damon is the first one to teach that all will NOT go to Heaven, but only those in a true relationship with Jesus. As far a Damon preaching in churches that teach that, I will address this when you do.

    “This is fueling a trend that we saw Israel suffer when they stopped worshipping One God and began their
    pagan worship.”

    Do you believe in the trinity? Damon worships ONE God eternally existing in 3 persons, Father, Son, and Spirit. Is that Pagan worship? You are attacking Damon by taking him out of context and having no idea what he really believes.

    “Yet, the Bible stands in direct opposition to what you just said Damon Thompson. To quote Dave Miller of
    Apologetics Press:”

    I find it interesting that you have to quote a man instead of scripture. It is fine to use resources, but you do it before you quote scripture yourself. Do you rely more on other peoples explanation of scripture, or do you rely on scripture? Just a question.

    “The Bible repeatedly and frequently affirms the doctrine of monotheism and the unity of God:
    Deuteronomy 4:35,39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6,8; 45:5; 46:9; Mark 12:29; Romans 3:30; 1 Corinthians
    8:4,6; 1 Timothy 2:5. These and many other passages indicate “there is but one infinite Spirit Being, and
    that within that one Spirit essence there are three personal distinctions, each of which may be, and is,
    called God” (Lanier, 1974, p. 46). There is only one divine essence (ousia) or nature (phusis)—a solidaric
    unity—one divine substance in (not and) three persons (prosopa or persona), with each “person” being the
    subsistence (hupostaseis) of the divine Essence”

    Damon agrees with what you just quoted. He believes in ONE God, not three.

    “Five minutes reader. Five minutes into his “sermon” and Damon Thompson has already exposed himself
    as a false teacher who has no business attempting to teach others, much less impressionable young minds,
    the first thing about being a Christian.”

    In five minutes you have shown yourself to be an arrogant ignorant un-Christlike false teacher. You have attacked Damon by taking him out of context and lying about him and twisting statements he made to make them sound bad. You have not researched what he really believes and have been shown to be wrong. You used very little scripture references in the case of all of these attacks. You are a hypocrite and do not represent Christ.

    “That is all for the review of this sermon group session today. I literally grow weary and sick listening to
    this and the amount of Christian and scriptural evidence piled against what this man teaches is
    mountainous.”

    If it is mountainous, then prove it and show it. You have not shown anything yet.

    “I will continue and complete the discernment of this lesson in future posts and then we will move on to
    other speeches given by Damon Thompson.”

    I will respond to those as well.

    “Please note that before posting this, I have tried to contact Damon Thompson for comment. He is very i
    insulated though, which strangely enough is the exact opposite of many of the great true Christian authors
    and speakers of this day.”

    Damon is not very insulated, but is very busy. He is constantly traveling and usually not in an office somewhere. He spends his time raising up spiritual sons and daughters and teaching and meeting with them. He very rarely has time to sit down and answer the questions of every person who does not like him. And regardless of what you think, Damon does not owe you a response. If you have a problem with him, the best place to go is to the Word and see what it says.

    “Just this morning I was on the phone with Tom Holland, who knows me from Adam. Yet, he took my call,
    was easily reachable, and had no need for insulation. I wonder why the difference?”

    I have no idea who Tom Holland is. So I cannot tell you why there is a difference. It probably has something to do with schedule. I don’t think that the standard of a true man of God is if they have time to stop and talk with you. Wow again the arrogance comes out.

    “I am making him aware of this and should he want to contact me, he has my information. My hope is that
    he will come to repentance for this heresy he is spreading and will step down as a gospel teacher.”

    My hope is that you repent of having a tongue that brings division, which according to proverbs is one of the things God hates. I hope you repent of arrogance, gossip, and slander.

    “While none are perfect, few of us are reaping the monetary gain and infamy that would encourage one to
    continue in their sins as Damon Thompson is.”

    Have you seen his bank statement? He is by no means rich and does not desire monetary gain. He actually has written a few books, but has not published them because he does not have the money to give them away yet, and he does not want to sell them to make money off of them. He is by no means doing this for money or fame.

    “I pray that he will look to the cross for his forgiveness as do I each day of my imperfect life.”

    He does daily, and he seeks God’s face. He admits over and over he is imperfect and needs the blood of Jesus.

    “In conclusion, let me repeat what I said at first. I know those of you who are his disciples will bash and
    rail against this.”

    I am not a disciple of Damon. I am a disciple of Jesus alone. I do not follow Damon. If Damon fell into sin today, God forbid, it would have no impact on my relationship with Christ. I follow Jesus alone.

    “Therefore save it. Just accept it for what it is and the postings to come are.”

    So you are not interested in other’s point of view, but rather only care about your own. Is that what you are saying? You only care about people who agree with you. Your view must be really shallow.

    “The Truth. Look at what you are being taught. I know the human condition and I realize this will anger
    some of you. I am sorry if it does but if the truth and exposure against false teaching causes you anger,
    don’t look inward, don’t look to me, don’t look to Damon Thompson, look toward the cross and the truth
    revealed in scripture.”

    I agree, so if this angers you look to the cross.

    “My hope is that this makes you so dissatisfied with what you have been fed that you will look to other
    pastures in which the truth of Christ, His cross, His resurrection, and His coming again are properly taught
    in place of some man’s fanciful ideas about the world he, not God, wants.”

    My hope is that you stop looking to other pastures all together and start looking at Christ. That is the only way to be Christ like.

    April 12, 2010 at 6:26 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Hey Matt. My initial thought was to not approve your foolish remarks. Most of what you say is irrelevant to the true discussion at hand here or based off of an emotional, not intellectual, response. However, I felt sorry for you and could not bring myself not to approve your comment that you obviously spent much time on (notice I said you spent time, not thought on). The first question I would have for you is do you even know what the word context means? Many of your points and questions that you attempt to make and ask are aswered in the very next paragraph or sentence of my original post. (for instance, see your thoughts about 1 John where you attempt to point out “what they have heard”). That’s just sloppy Matt and shows that you perhaps were not thinking as you wrote. Surely, if you were being led by the Holy Spirit as you wrote, the Holy Spirit would not make such foolish blunders either. Therefore, the question needs to be asked then, what was leading you.
    This leads to my next and final point that your circular and flawed argument is based upon. I can bear the negative and unfounded things that you say about me personally and your opinion of my beliefs. What I cannot stand though is on the points about Thompson’s obvious doctinal errors you simply blow them off as “he misspoke.” Twice, in this short discernment of Thompson’ teaching, rather than stating that he was wrong, you make an excue of “he misspoke.” Twice!!!! This is only a piece on the first five minutes of his writing.
    This brings me back to my point about who is leading your response. We both agree that God is perfect and infalliable I can assume. I suppose that you believe that Thompson is being led by the Holy Spirit when he speaks. Therefore, when Thompson misspeaks on obvious doctrinal error, is that the Holy Spirit making a mistake? Are you really calling the God imperfect Matt? You see, when Thompson rambles off in tongues, is that not proof to his audience (you) that the Holy Spirit is leading him? Yet, you just said that the Holy Spirit misspoke. You should really think about what you are saying here and what you are attempting to defend as you may be wandering off into that lone “unpardonable sin” that we read about in scripture. So, answer a question Matt. IF Thompson is truly being led by the Holy Spirit when he speaks, then why would the HOly Spirit make doctrinal mistakes regarding some of the central tenents of the Christian faith. It just doesn’t make sense does it?
    God bless you Matt and I hope that your eyes will be opened to the fact that you are defending a man rather than the Holy Word of God. That’s a problem according to scripture (as Paul said “if even an angel comes teaching a gospel other than what you heard from us, turn away from them”).

    P.S. regrding your point about John knowing that Christ was with God at the beginning of time – Matthew wasn’t alive or witness to everyone in the genealogy of Christ he supplies in his book either. I wonder how he knew those things? Oh yes, they are in the Old scripture, just as the fact that Christ was with God from the beginning (see Genesis 1). I wonder how they knew those things? Maybe it’s because they studied the scripture Matt – you could probably learn from their example rather than studying Thompson’s dreamscape.

    P.S.S. IF you could provide me with some sort of medical evidence of your miracale you claimed to experience or put me in contact with your doctor I will gladly post that mircaculous information on my blog for the world to see. Also, your friend who had his hearing restored, I would also love to talk to them. Contact me through my blog and I will gladly be in touch with you so that we can get this miraculous and excitng news out to the world. Why have you been sitting on this great news????

    April 13, 2010 at 7:33 am
  • Tara says:

    Dear dvdBrumley,

    I do not know you personally and this is the first time I have come across your blog online. What I do know is that if you would spend as much time witnessing to the lost the good news of Jesus Christ as you have listening to this man’s message and dissecting it by the minute and preparing your post and your comments above – then God’s Kingdom might have a few more souls added to it that would be missing HELL right now!

    Every single word that I read that YOU wrote had nothing but backbiting. What about LOVE? What about JESUS?
    Please don’t waste any more precious time trying to convince people that this man is a false prophet! Start telling people about JESUS!!!!!!!! He is the Christ! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! Do YOU know him?????

    April 27, 2010 at 9:50 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Tara, I am sorry that you feel that way. However, after I take down my post about Thompson, perhaps we can then remove the following scriptures from the Bible:
    Matt. 7:15
    Matt. 24:11-13
    2 Tim. 3:1-9
    2 Tim. 4:3-5
    2 Thess. 2:1-12
    Ezekiel 13:2-3

    Jeremiah 23
    Micah 3:5-7
    Jude 10

    1 John 2

    Those are just a few dealing with keeping a watchful eye and warning others Tara. Since those don’t say “lovey, lovey” though, we can just pull them out. You are correct, the only message that matters is that of Christ crucified, which if you are honest with yourself is the message I am conveying, and all the teaching about dreams and visions of man are but vanity. I believe that the perfect revelation of New Testament Christianity has been laid out for us in scripture and the changes and added revelations that this man speaks are heretical. If you listen to the messages they are sending out and into the church though is one that New Testament Christianity is not the answer but that dominion, a message not found in scripture is. Their goal is to take over the church Tara, but we shouldn’t do anything about that should we, even if we know better. Instead we should just make kissy face. Sorry, but I prefer the example Paul set for us in the book of Galatians when he saw the Judiazers corrupting the true church of our lord Jesus Christ.

    April 27, 2010 at 10:43 am
  • Devin says:

    I have to say, if Damon is (Or isn’t) a false prophet, I will still listen to his teachings. I have always been careful to compare a persons beliefs to the Word of God to be sure I am not deceived, and I haven’t been proven wrong about him, The Ramp, or Karen Wheaton. I admire your courage to post this blog, but I do not think it is up to you to slander, or in this case libel, against anyone. The Bible says “Judge not lest thou be judged” doesn’t it? I believe in Hell as well as Heaven, and the five-fold ministry of the church as it is today. I do not see Damon Thompson as a prophet, but as an apostle that is anointed by God to tear down the religious spirit that has plagued the church for so long… Which is exactly why we haven’t seen signs and wonders as it was in the Bible days. You can call Damon Thompson, and those like myself, heretics if you wish. But that would be in direct disobience to the Word of God which you claim to unveil here.

    God bless you. I refuse to post again, in a hopes that you can get back to the scriptures and get closer to God. I love Him with all my heart, and will never bow down to any other god. And I must say, I never was able to break the bondage of pornography over my life until I understood the role I played in the Kingdom. We are ALL “more than conquerors” and as such do have dominion FROM the Holy Spirit AND the Word of God. Good luck to you sir, I’ll be praying for you and your ministry.

    April 30, 2010 at 5:58 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Devin, your belief in the five-fold ministry (I suppose you are referring to Ephesians 4) may be why you are willing to make a statement such as “if Damon is (or isn’t) a false prophet, I will still listen to his teachings.” We won’t even delve into what a dangerous and immature thing that is to say. Rather, we will go to scripture to help you move past your belief in the five-fold ministry (I wonder if you believe in that because of listening to false prophets). You are correct, Eph. 4:11 does say that God gave (past tense) for some to fulfill the roles including prophet and apostle. However, 12-13 tells us the purposewhich can be summarized in stating that it was for the church of Ephesus to reach spiritual maturity. You are failing to recognize Eph. 2:20 though in your belief where Paul tells the church there that the church was built on the foundation the prophets and apostles laid, and that Christ is the chief cornerstone. Before a cornerstone may be placed, the foundation must be complete. Is it not in the sermon found in the book of Hebrews that we are told to move past the foundation? Of course, Hebrews also exhorts to move on to spiritual maturity. Here’s hoping for your maturation Devin.

    April 30, 2010 at 8:45 pm
  • Trixi says:

    You said, “can you touch revelation with your hands?” Well let me pose this question, can you touch faith with your hands, sir? You also said here, “He then touts about his first gospel meeting and how through his “marking” people were being healed (note, he says this without actually saying it.)” Sounds like you are the false teacher. I believe you have a religious spirit. Maybe if you did some research on that you could find out how to get rid of it. But I’d suggest prayer and fasting to start and actually even before that seeking first the kingdom of God not of youself.

    May 17, 2010 at 4:30 pm
  • Trixi says:

    Matt, yes,the Holy Spirit is the one that draws men to salvation. How does scripture tell us that is done? Through the teaching of the scripture alone. The word of God, not men’s visions, thoughts, dreams, or wants. Thanks for answering the question I asked. The problem is that Damon teaches people that the word is not enough and that more must be added. Listen to what he is saying and you will see.

    You posted this, but what about gifts that God has given us thru the Holy Spirit? You don’t believe in that? There are so many holes in your arguments and you cut people down like they are trash, talking about how ignorant they are, I mean you said it without saying it. I’m just using what you did with Damon.

    May 17, 2010 at 4:38 pm
  • Sydney says:

    God is our victory and I believe you have lost this battle Brumley. I know Damon personally…. I know that you believe you are “uncovering the wolf in sheeps clothing” and you talk down to a lot of the posters saying they need “maturity” but in all honesty this is the most immature thing I have ever seen. You have been very distasteful. How about I start a website and slander You…another claimed christian? Say that I am unveiling you..a false prophet? No. I’m going to love Jesus with all of my heart because I am passionately in love with the one who calls me beloved! I am going to lead others to Christ..
    So basically I am going to end this comment and let me go ahead and guess what you’re going to do? “Hope for maturation”???? “Maturity is the constant application of elementary things”-Damon Thompson…How about you apply that to your own life, SIR. I HOPE that you find your purpose in this life…bad-mouthing another christian is not a purpose….you probably know that. Whether you apply that to your life is your own choice.

    May 17, 2010 at 9:50 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Sydney, thanks for your comments. Just asking, can you tell me the scripture or passages that make your quote by your personal friend Thompson applicable to the Christian life? I look forward to reading your response…

    May 18, 2010 at 12:01 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Trixi, yes, you can touch faith. Faith comes by hearing the word of God and we have the privilege to hold that powerful tool in our hands to not only learn faith, but to proclaim it to others. As for the rest of your statement, I believe you need to qualify your remarks as I missed the point you may have been trying to make.

    May 18, 2010 at 12:05 pm
  • Robert Chessman says:

    Dear sir, I came upon this blog after watching Damon on TV and was very disturbed by his scripture twisting.
    The bottom line is that if you believe in the ‘god’ that Damon Thompson is preaching then you won’t and can’t be saved. Thompson has bought into a polytheistic/emergent church view of God-a view that has been condemned by orthodox Christianity.
    For those who follow the teachings of Damon Thompson: you may ‘feel’ as if you are getting blessed by him but remember the devil comes as an angel of light. Please test all things and hold fast to that which is good, not ‘that which makes you feel good’ but the truth of scripture. We serve a loving God who desires us to worship him in spirit and in TRUTH.

    May 23, 2010 at 12:05 am
  • Cole says:

    I find this article very interesting. I have no ties to man but only ties to God. And let me first off say that you are acting like a wolf in sheep clothing. Note, I didn’t say you are, but you are acting. My first initial thought was “I’m going to read some of the comments and not say anything.” But I couldn’t resist. I want to ask you this, how come every person that asks you a legitimate question, you return a question back to them instead of a straight up answer? Honestly, you doing that tells me that you don’t really have an answer to their question and you are simply avoiding them. Second of all, in one of your posts you say “don’t think about this emotionally, but rather look at it intellectually,” C’mon man! Stop thinking so hard about everything lol, if you are going to look for something wrong with somebody, and THINK about what is wrong with them, you’re going to find something. No I’m not a huge fan of “anti(insert here)” posts. I think they are unnecessary and honestly do more harm than good. Instead of “shedding light” to a subject you managed to piss off a ton of people and attempt to tarnish a mans reputation. The problem with Christianity today is we have too many people posting their opinions online. Its like because its available everybody thinks that they are a philosopher now. I don’t think this post did any good but cause harm to the body. I’m sure theres people that you hurt and honestly man, I’m gonna pray for you. Not because I am “obsessed” with Damon Thompson and am looking for beef, but because this post tells me there is a deeper rooted issue with you. I don’t see how posting a blog is beneficial to the Kingdom of Christ. You should pray for him if you feel he’s a false prophet, not slander the man on the internet. I don’t care if its Damon Thompson or Benny Hinn, you should let GOD deal with them. But I pray for you, and I pray that you see the real issue here at hand. I pray the best for you and I pray that you see Christ’s overall picture. I want you to know that I will be the first person to say that if you need anything, let me know and I will be glad to help you out.

    Much blessings, Cole.

    May 26, 2010 at 11:05 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Cole, thanks for your comments. I am afraid I couldn’t disagree more though. If you have a problem with members of the body exposing false teaching, then you have a problem with Paul, with Peter, with John the Revelator, and with Christ Himself. I appreciate the prayers you offer and wish you the best.

    May 26, 2010 at 4:16 pm
  • Megan G says:

    Matthew 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

    June 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm
  • Another Matt says:

    I really appreciate this post and the following discussion. I’ve listened to Mr. Thompson preach several times and wondered about some of these things as well. Great points have been made on both sides of this discussion, and I hope everybody uses this sort of discretion with all teachers of God’s Word. Using the Bible as the barometer for truth is the only measuring stick to use with Mr. Thompson’s or anybody else’s messages. I suggest anybody who listens to him or anybody else to simply do that.

    If you seek perfection in a teacher, the only place to find one is in the Son of the Living God, Jesus Christ.

    June 26, 2010 at 8:35 am
  • kaytee says:

    I will not say whether or not I agree with Damon Thompson in this reply because quite honestly that is not what upsets me the most. What truly hurts is that so many souls are going to hell because people consider most Christians to be judgmental. I do my best to prove them wrong but unfortunately it is posts like this, that tear people down in a very harsh tone, that suggest to the world that Christians are wrong. So I guess what I’m trying to say is this..If you believe Damon is wrong then pray that God would lead him in the right direction and give him revelation into what God is really saying. Do not post your judgments about this man on a public website. How would you feel if someone posted an entire blog dedicated to disproving you? Let God be the judge please..

    July 8, 2010 at 12:21 am
  • peacheslovesJESUS says:

    Psalm 105:15
    Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    Take it from me, I don’t care how true the fault found within the man, (NOT THAT I BELIEVE IT), it is better to just ignore and pray for the person. I like and admire Damon Thompson for just how he treats his wife ALONE! And the reason what i am getting as to why he dresses the way he does, and wears tatts and locks, is to try and look like some of the lost to draw the lost to hear this good word. 1 Corinthians 9:19-22 19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

    20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

    21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

    22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
    If the man of GOD, Damon Thompson is as bad as all that, GOD sees and hears everything…HE will deal with him and soon enough. But it seems to me that this man of GOD Damon Thompson is bearing MMMUUUCCCHHH FRUIT…and the devil (not you) can’t stand it. Instead of judging the man of GOD, why don’t you get a ticket to Hamilton, Ala., go to the Ramp one day and hear him for yourself…more importantly, FEEL the presence of GOD. I used to go to a Southern Baptist church. Received some great teaching there, but hate to say it…I can’t say I felt the HOLY SPIRIT there…not saying HE wasn’t there, but I didn’t see any miracles take place. Now this church i sometimes go to on Tuesdays have deliverance services…Oh, yes demons being cast out. NOT ACTING. Heck, the man of GOD Pastor Blaine…GOD used him to read my mail about my sexual perversion… I WAS QUICKLY DELIVERED. All GOD of course. HE used this man of GOD to read my mail about different things…ALL TRUE and unspoken about before. People have gotten healed under this person’s ministry. The problem is, man of GOD, is that you lack faith in these areas. JESUS said John 14:12
    I 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. What do you want the FATHER to do for you? John 16:23 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

    July 10, 2010 at 8:44 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jannelle, I hope that you are not putting your faith in only what you can see. What would be wonderful is if you could provide all of us who read this blog with some documented evidence of the great things you claim are being done. I find it a little odd that in an age where every goof and mistake by people are caught on camera that somehow the documented evidence of what you word of faith people claim is always missing. Sorry that we disagree, but if you believe that Thompson’s appearance is one so that he can better reach the lost, you are being presumptuous at best.

    July 10, 2010 at 9:41 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for the comments Kaytee. Sadly, if your advise would have been heeded by the apostle Paul, there would be no epistles and the New Testament would be a very short document.

    July 10, 2010 at 9:43 pm
  • peacheslovesJESUS says:

    Matthew 6:30
    Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
    Matthew 6:29-31 (in Context) Matthew 6 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 8:10
    When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
    Matthew 8:9-11 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 8:26
    And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
    Matthew 8:25-27 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 9:2
    And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
    Matthew 9:1-3 (in Context) Matthew 9 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 9:22
    But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
    Matthew 9:21-23 (in Context) Matthew 9 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 9:29
    Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
    Matthew 9:28-30 (in Context) Matthew 9 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 14:31
    And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
    Matthew 14:30-32 (in Context) Matthew 14 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 15:28
    Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
    Matthew 15:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 15 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 16:8
    Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
    Matthew 16:7-9 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 17:17
    Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
    Matthew 17:16-18 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 17:20
    And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
    Matthew 17:19-21 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 21:21
    Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
    Matthew 21:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 21 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 23:23
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
    Matthew 23:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 24:45
    Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    Matthew 24:44-46 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 25:21
    His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
    Matthew 25:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
    Matthew 25:23
    His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
    Matthew 25:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
    Mark 2:5
    When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
    Mark 2:4-6 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter)
    Mark 4:40
    And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?
    Mark 4:39-41 (in Context) Mark 4 (Whole Chapter)
    Mark 5:34
    And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
    Mark 5:33-35 (in Context) Mark 5 (Whole Chapter)
    Mark 9:19
    He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
    Mark 9:18-20 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
    Mark 10:52
    And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
    Mark 10:51-52 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter)
    Mark 11:22
    And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
    Mark 11:21-23 (in Context) Mark 11 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 5:20
    And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
    Luke 5:19-21 (in Context) Luke 5 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 7:9
    When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
    Luke 7:8-10 (in Context) Luke 7 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 7:50
    And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
    Luke 7:49-50 (in Context) Luke 7 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 8:25
    And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.
    Luke 8:24-26 (in Context) Luke 8 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 8:48
    And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
    Luke 8:47-49 (in Context) Luke 8 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 9:41
    And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.
    Luke 9:40-42 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 12:28
    If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
    Luke 12:27-29 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 12:42
    And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
    Luke 12:41-43 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 16:10
    He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
    Luke 16:9-11 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 16:11
    If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
    Luke 16:10-12 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 16:12
    And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man’s, who shall give you that which is your own?
    Luke 16:11-13 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 17:5
    And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
    Luke 17:4-6 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 17:6
    And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
    Luke 17:5-7 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 17:19
    And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
    Luke 17:18-20 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 18:8
    I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
    Luke 18:7-9 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 18:42
    And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
    Luke 18:41-43 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 19:17
    And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
    Luke 19:16-18 (in Context) Luke 19 (Whole Chapter)
    Luke 22:32
    But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
    Luke 22:31-33 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter)
    John 20:27
    Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
    John 20:26-28 (in Context) John 20 (Whole Chapter)
    Acts 6:8
    And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.

    ITS ALL ABOUT HAVING FAITH. If you are not going to bother and believe, why should GOD show you anything? So, until you try and believe, you will never see any miracles. I understand, I used to be like that, and it was horrible. GOD is bringing me through some stuff now, having to do with faith. Especially if that is all you know. But I EXPECT to see more miracles; I expect to see limbs grow from out of amputated people…tell me…WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE SUCH THINGS? Are you saying that it can’t happen? GOD has used me to lay hands on my self and pray for healing and IT WORKED. It is easy to get stuck in an arguement with you, but here is a warning, sir. You better chill on putting your mouth on the anointed of GOD; you don’t want to get into a situation where GOD tests you to the point where the stipulation calls for 1.) extreme faith or/and 2.) You have to go and ask that man of GOD Damon/whoever for help. And don’t say that is impossible; Naman had to travel al the way from damascus to Israel to get healing through the man of GOD Elisha. No disrespect, but it sounds like you are jealous of Damon….we all have been jealous or envious of someone else. Ask GOD to rid you of that. But don’t tell me to provide you with documented evidence of anything. You, at best , would say that it was doctored and untrue and you still wouldn’t believe….the only person that can help you is the HOLY GHOST and you will have to personally ask for that help. Otherwise, can’t do nothing for you..but as for me, I GIVE GOD PERMISSION TO SHOW ME MORE AND ELABORATE THINGS BEFORE I DIE AND BE WITH HIM.

    One more thing; Jeremiah 33:3 (King James Version)

    3Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

    Have you called HIM and asked HIM to show you mighty things yet? Maybe thats why nothing has happened.

    July 11, 2010 at 2:44 pm
  • Rachel says:

    With all due respect, do YOU even know what you are talking about? Yes, I am a twenty-something year old, and what does that matter to anybody? I am the furthest thing from “rebellious” as I have a toddler child and a husband. This man is a VERY mighty Man of God, and I truly feel sorry for the people you have reading this post. Do something else with your time! Quit being judgmental of someone you’ve probably never even met, or had a conversation with. This man’s heart is on fire for God, and he has real talk to get people’s attention. And another thing, WHO CARES if there is someone there to “translate” tongue?!?! Really?! Really? That is a language between us and our Father. It’s an intimate time to spend with him. You really kill me with this post. Damon Thompson is a great man, and I haven’t met a single person other than yourself who doesn’t like him. He’s probably done more with his life trying to get people close to God than you ever imagined. You should really think about going back in prayer for a while and judge yourself before you try to judge this man. So what if his hair is in dreds???? So what if he has tattoos?! Does anybody in your church have tattoos? Are you with a church that condemns people for “marking their bodies?” It’s not about how he dresses. God is accepting of a pastor in a fresh white suit, or rags for clothes with bugs in their hair. This post just really amazes me. And saddens me. He’s probably closer to God than a lot of people ever could dream of. I just hope God works something out in you, my friend. I will be praying for you.

    July 11, 2010 at 8:51 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Rachel, you asked: “WHO CARES if there is someone there to “translate” tongue?!?! Really?! Really?” The answer would be the apostle Paul. He cared and wrote about in his letters to the Corinthians. More time studying your Bible and less time mumbling mindless sounds would probably be helpful.

    July 11, 2010 at 10:19 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Peaches, all of your verses re: faith have to do with faith in Christ. What you are asking people to believe is faith in men. No thanks. You asked if I contacted him and the answer is yes. I e-mailed his offices and gave him an opportunity to respond. Thus far, no response. God bless you.

    July 11, 2010 at 10:21 pm
  • kenny says:

    dont be so quick to judge people by apearances,remember john the babtist, he would make damon look like a monk

    July 18, 2010 at 11:28 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks Kenny. This post is not about appearances though and if you had read it you would recognize that.

    July 18, 2010 at 11:49 am
  • Michael says:

    I know I have a long post, but I pray that you read it until the end. I believe that this will clear some questions, maybe not all, but at least some.

    I don’t know who you are and I don’t pretend to. You may have written this blog with good intentions, I’m sure you stand behind what you are saying, and you probably did even pray about it. However, let me say that being someone who has attended The Ramp in Hamilton, AL numerous times. I’ve heard Damon preach not only at the Ramp, but at other churches and locations. God is using that ministry and Damon to speak into the lives of young people and all I have to say is look at the fruits. The lives of the students and adults alike are changed. Do I believe Damon is perfect? No. Do I believe that you are perfect? No. Do I believe I am perfect? No.

    I can tell you, though, that God is using his minitry to impact lives. My life has been impacted by the Holy Spirit through His ministry. I believe if you were to actually meet the man, I’m sure you would see that he is not taking the credit for what God is doing. On that point however, if you read scripture, you will see that God works through us, his followers. So, no it’s not about Damon, it’s about God, but God chooses to use us. I think that is awesome that the creator of the entire universe loves us, wants to be in relationship with us, and wants to partner with us to reach the world.

    I will address this quickly, because I know this was not the main point to your blog and you have already said to another commenter that appearance is not the issue. However, you did mention his appreance in your original post, which probably means you do have a problem with it, or at least have questions about it. To which, I will just say John the Baptist. Enough said.

    In regards to Damon not returning your call. The truth is the man probably has a lot of critics. If he took the time to answer every critic he has, he wouldn’t have time to do what is more important and that is reaching souls for the Kingdom of God. There is always going to be somebody who disagrees, someone who does not see it the way he does, someone who will not like him. Anybody who takes a stand for something is always going to have a critic, even Jesus himself had critics. Jesus said the world hates you it is because they first hated me. (John 15:18) Something I find interesting is if you account Jesus’ trial, Jesus didn’t answer every question or judgement brought againt Him. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words. I wonder if you would have called Jesus “unreachable” because he didn’t respond to some of His critics.

    In regards to healing people. Jesus performed mircales, healings, signs and wonders and then said that not only would we do the same works, but even greater works than He did.

    John 14:12
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
    John 14:11-13 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter)

    This is Jesus talking, if I could highlight it in red I would. Jesus said that his believers would not only do the same works He did, but even greater works. He starts off the verse by saying Verily (meaning truly). So if it is truth you seek, then go the source of truth and see what truth He says, Truly, Truly, I say to you, he that believes in me the works I do he shall do also and greater works than these he will do, because I go to the Father. The next verse says whatever you ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father might be glorified in the Son.

    In regards to tongues, this gift is found in scriptures, and is ofter misunderstood. So, below is a break down of 1 Corthians 14 and through study and conviction of the Holy Spirit see the scripture being interpreted. I say this in fear and trembling, because I will be the first to admit to God and the readers if I am wrong.

    14:1 Follow after charity, and DESIRE after spiritual GIFTS (emphasis on the plural, meaning there is more than one to desire), but rather that you may prophesy. -This is teaching us that there are spiritual gifts and that we should desire them, but prophesy is the greatest or maybe my wording should be most beneficial to the Kingdom of God.
    14:2 For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God (teaching us that there is a tongue not meant for men, but between you and God): for no man understands him; in the spirit he speaks mysteries. (Paul didn’t make this up, this is a real gift. You can speak in the spirit mysteries that our Father knows. That’s why in the pentecostal church you will hear people say when you don’t know what to pray, pray in the spirit, because the Holy Spirit knows what to pray. It may be a mystery to us, but it isn’t to Him.)
    14:3 But he that prophesies speaks unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. (giving us the purpose of prophesy.)
    14:4 He that speaks in an unknown tongue edifies himself; but he that prophesies edifies the church. (Distinguishing the difference between the two.)
    14:5 I would that you all spake with tongues (uh oh, he just said that it’s not only okay for us to speak in tongues, but he wants us all to) but rather that you prophesied (again because this is the better of the two gifts): for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, EXCEPT he interpret (not saying there always has to be interpretation, but that having interpretation is the greater of the two options, so just to say it frankly, it is not a sin to speak in tongues without an interperter, just maybe not wise depending on the situation), that the church may receive edifying. (So, by saying greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, tells me that prophesy is better than the gift of tongues and that if you speak in tongues in a church setting it is better to interpret it, so that everyone may understand, but does not exclude that tongues always denotes interpretation.) -Being apart of the pentecostal church for a long time, I will also say that interpretation (prophesy) comes a lot during most services. The preacher may speak in tongues and then start speaking over the congregation. I may hear a minister pray in tongues over an individual and then follow it by prophesying over the person or vice versa. It doesn’t always have to start with the words “Thus saith the Lord” to be a prophesy or interpretation.
    *It would take awhile to go through this whole chapter and if needed I will. Just let me know, but the point is that tongues is a gift from God. The point of this chapter is to show that prophesy and edifying others is more important than the gift of tongues, but the point is not to say that tongues should not be desired or practiced.
    One other verse in this chapter, Paul even says:
    14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all (Pretty bold statement, don’t you think? Here you have someone who was not one of the original twelve that speaks in tongues and not only admits it, but seems to say that he does it very often.)

    For now, I’m goint to end with this, because it’s 1:30 in the morning, and I probably should be in bed, since I have to get up early in the morning. I would like to find some common ground here and I think that the thing you said that we can both agree on is don’t put eyes on Damon Thompson, on you, on me, on any person, but Jesus! His eyes burn with fire for us! That means he has a zealous passion for us and He is worth every thing we go through in this life.

    So, Father I say search our hearts. This is not about being right or wrong, this is about seeking the truth of Your heart. Though, I disagree with my brother, at the end of the day, I believe we both just want to be closer to You! Let my words not be out of anger but out of love. If I am wrong, I ask you reveal this to me, and I will repent. My prayer is that you would search my brothers heart too and the same with him, if he is wrong, I pray you reveal that to him that he may repent. I love you, Jesus! Give me eyes for only You, Jesus!!! In the name of Jesus, Yeshua, my best friend, Amen!

    July 22, 2010 at 11:43 pm
  • Michael says:

    I should have have said in the previous post that this may be the beginning of several conversations. I invite that and would love to talk to anyone who wants to talk about the topic, but I cut myself short tonight for time sake of not only myself, but the reader…lol There were other things in the original post that I didn’t even talk about, due to time. Tongues typically can’t be explained in a sentence or two, so I spend a majority of my time discussing that. My prayers are with you all! :)

    July 23, 2010 at 12:07 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Michael, thanks for taking the time to comment but you cannot rip 1 Cor. 14 out of context. You must address 1 cor. 13 in that discussion as well. 1 Cor. 14, Paul was addressing an ongoing issue in the church at Corinth, in 1 Cor. 13, Paul is discussing the future. The future is the time we live in and we have been granted the perfect revelation of God.

    July 23, 2010 at 12:51 am
  • colie3336 says:

    Thank you, Michael, for speaking the truth. The Word of God tells us very specifically that those who walk after the flesh do not walk after the Spirit (meaning the Holy Spirit of God) and that only those to whom the understanding of the mysteries of God have been given can understand and discern the truth of God’s Word and what He speaks to us by His Spirit. dvdbrumley, you must close your mind, for it is not for you to lean on your own understanding, but rather to, in all your ways, acknowledge Him, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior– as we are all directed to do in God’s Word. The Word tells us that our flesh, which includes our mind is at enmity with God, that it has nothing to do with the Spirit of God and does NOT desire salvation and will not receive truth –this is what Jesus addressed with the Jewish religious leaders of His time, the Pharisees and the Saducees. He made it clear to them that He came with healing power for the sole purpose to show that He had the power to forgive sins (This is found in Mark 2 “1A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard that he had come home. 2So many gathered that there was no room left, not even outside the door, and he preached the word to them. 3Some men came, bringing to him a paralytic, carried by four of them. 4Since they could not get him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof above Jesus and, after digging through it, lowered the mat the paralyzed man was lying on. 5When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”

    6Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7″Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

    8Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things? 9Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’? 10But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . . .” He said to the paralytic, 11″I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” 12He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”. This is why that Jesus said that those who come in His name, preaching the gospel, would come with a showing of power for a testimony (Mark 16:20, and nearly word for word in Romans 15:19, Acts 10:38 –concerning Jesus’ annointing, Hebrews 2:4, etc.)–not that we can do anything, but that we show irrevocably that it is not by might, not by power (of our own), but by His Spirit that all miracles come, including the greatest miracle of all, the forgiveness of our sins, our sanctification, our salvation –which is only received through faith, and not of works (meaning legalistic measures and our own pitiful attempts to be “good” in any way, shape or form), lest any man boast. We come to God because He draws us by His Spirit (which is straight out of the Word of God, as well). You must pray for God to open your spiritual eyes, not just where people like Damon Thompson are concerned, but many, many others, as he is not the first that you have judged. Furthermore, Jesus specifically told His disciples when they were upset at others bringing healing or demonic deliverance without them being present or without Jesus’ sending them as He was His disciples, that those who did this were for them and not against them. To quote it in context, in the NIV, it is from Luke 9: “46An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48Then he said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest.”

    49″Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”

    50″Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”
    I would humbly submit to you, dvdbrumley, that if Damon Thompson preaches Jesus Christ, who came as God in the flesh to be the propitiation of our sins, who died and rose again, and now sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven forever making intercession for us, the saints of God, who believe on Him and call on His name, and if all that Damon Thompson teaches does not line up with your personal convictions, but at the pivotal, most important point, DOES include the gospel of Jesus Christ, then he is not against you, but for you –and so should you be for him. The Word instructs us NOT to get into theological arguments, but to agree to disagree and to live in peace with everyone around us. You are not discerning a wolf in sheep’s (or tiger’s) clothing in Damon Thompson, but rather, are having a problem with the rest of his theology –which you are entitled to do; but be warned that Jesus (and His disciples and His apostles all) made it abundantly clear that saying that someone who does something in the name of Jesus -whether it be healing, speaking in tongues, or some other manifestation of the Holy Spirit –has not done it by the power of God or by His Holy Spirit has blasphemed the Holy Spirit. You can even get away with speaking against Jesus by being forgiven for it, as explained in Luke 12:10, but not against the Holy Spirit -what is done by the Spirit, or its manifestations. That will never be forgiven. Jesus warned that if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit it will be held against you –that is found in Mark 3: “20Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

    22And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub[c]! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

    23So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”

    30He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”
    Emphasis on verse 29… now, we can take it back to the entire 12th chapter of 1 Corinthians, and tie in Ch. 13, which you had told Michael he had to include to keep things in context… because your attitude toward Damon Thompson and others like him who are actually preaching the gospel -regardless of the theological errors any of us may believe they have– is in error, serious error, because it is NOT a reflection of God’s love or loving your brother -nor does it show understanding of the fact that we are all members of the body of Christ, rightly fitted together, inherently necessary to each other, as our individual body parts are to us –those scriptures are found in the entire 12th chapter of 1 Corinthians and in the 13th chapter. They are… 1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

    4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

    7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

    12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

    14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

    21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

    27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[e] the greater gifts.
    And now I will show you the most excellent way.”

    The most excellent way is to walk in love –to esteem your neighbor above yourself, for no greater love is there than to give your life for another. This is continued and explained in chapter 13…
    “1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.

    4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

    13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”

    Therefore, any man, regardless of his personal, HUMAN error who preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ ARE annointed of God, and as such, according to God, are above reproach –for the Lord says in His Word, who can accuse my annointed– even after King Saul was rejected of God and had lost the annointing, David was careful not to come against him in any way, lest he offend and anger God– therefore, we know that such are dealt with by God, Himself –who is not too weak or powerless to instruct them in truth. It is the Holy Spirit’s job to convict –not yours, mine, or anyone else’s. My problem with what you are saying is not that you are voicing your opinion, but rather that you are attacking and undermining another’s ministry -without having actually attended one of this man’s services in person –and without giving thought that some of your own theology may be in error, yet no one is online badmouthing you or the way you look, talk, or dress. Neither has anyone who has replied to you been ugly to you in any way -in the like manner as you have done to Damon Thompson and to others like him. Furthermore, you are forgetting the power of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth, as it says in the Word of God, which includes a statement that we (but it says “you”) need not that any man teach us (it says “you”) — and that every man works out his salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord. We all have to go the way that God has planned for us– especially if we humbly submit to Him and His sovereignty. God’s Word is clear that the gospel goes out, and souls are saved for the kingdom of God, regardless of the agendas of the men involved. That can be found in

    Let me conclude with my belief that your intentions are good, but that you need to be very attentive to the leading of God, because we do not want to speak idle words, for which we will give an account before God when He brings us before His great throne of Judgment (when He returns and the books are opened). The bible says to know them by their fruits… but that means we are to have “fruits” too, doesn’t it —and the main was is love– not compromising love, but love that hates sin -but not sinners, evil, but not evil-doers, we must walk in love and not speak hate against our brethren, and when there is an issue, we are to go to the one we have a problem with, and trust God to work it out for us to speak with them, and then if they will not listen, we get others (who are UNBIASED) to go to them with us, and then using the wisdom of the Lord (and not judgment and rejection), we are to confront them and get the issue straight -which you have not done. Take care of how you come against others, especially those who claim to come in Jesus’ name, who DO speak the Word of God, His Scriptures, and what He taught when He was here on this earth, EVEN if it conflicts with your theology and beliefs– the Word of God is unchangeable–as is God, and anyone who seeks to change the Word, alter it in any manner, to take away from it or to add to it is cursed of God –that means YOU, DAMON THOMPSON, or ANYONE ELSE. ….And it won’t require you running your mouth to make it happen against others –God takes care of His own, and He disciplines those He loves, those who are called by His name, those who have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry Abba, Father. He prunes us that we will grow fruit, so again, I warn you to take care, because God is in control here, and your job is not to speak in such a manner against another who is preaching the gospel, for no man can say that Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit, just as no man can say that Jesus is cursed by the Holy Spirit. I submit to you, again, that Damon Thompson (and others like him) DO say that Jesus is Lord, over and over again. Also, 2 Peter 2 specifically discusses what God will do to those who are false teachers –so rest assured, that those who are not of God WILL receive their just due, according to the will of God. So see, there is no need to be so concerned… enough to put your own well-being and relationship with God at risk by speaking idle words. God is in control. Let Him have His way, and you keep your peace, and trust God to take care of any error that exists in others, especially those instructing the flock of God; because if you speak ill of others in error, He will require your punishment, and not theirs. Such situations demand the wisdom of God, and the carefulness of a humble, upright (but not self-righteous) child of God who DOES seek the Lord’s wisdom. You can also rest assure that those of us who are the Lord’s sheep know His voice and will not listen to the voice of any other– that is in John 10. Sooner or later, truth that needs to be known is made known –for God has said that He will reveal all secrets and shout it from the rooftops. Damon Thompson is not scattering the sheep of God, or causing them to believe in another route for salvation –which means he IS preaching the gospel. The rest, whether you agree with it or not, is in the Lord’s capable hands. Leave it there and keep your mouth shut for your own good– for the Lord will contend with those who contend with His annointed ones. I believe that Damon Thompson is annointed of the Lord, and let’s not forget that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (Romans 11:29). Be careful not to slander others, for that is a major issue with God. He has six things he hates, and seven that are detestable to Him –and they are listed in Prov. 6:16-19 (16 There are six things the LORD hates,
    seven that are detestable to him:

    17 haughty eyes,
    a lying tongue,
    hands that shed innocent blood,

    18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
    feet that are quick to rush into evil,

    19 a false witness who pours out lies
    and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.);

    and He will recompense all who engage in such practices –whether it be you, me, Damon Thompson, or anyone else. That is explained in the few scriptures listed before verses 16-19, specifically
    “12 A scoundrel and villain,
    who goes about with a corrupt mouth,

    13 who winks with his eye,
    signals with his feet
    and motions with his fingers,

    14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart—
    he always stirs up dissension.

    15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant;
    he will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.”
    I should think this would be a sobering word to anyone who truly fears and reveres the Lord –at least enough to keep us from idle words, in case that we would inadvertantly bring His wrath and displeasure upon ourselves through our stubborn, unrestrained rudders (our tongue -the words of our mouths). Now, I leave you with 1 Thessalonians 4:1-12 to know that it is not wise to wrong our brothers or take advantage of them, but rather to live a quiet life, minding our own business, so that our daily lives win the respect of others. Those scriptures are…
    “1Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. 2For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.

    3It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4that each of you should learn to control his own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; 6and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. 7For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

    9Now about brotherly love we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other. 10And in fact, you do love all the brothers throughout Macedonia. Yet we urge you, brothers, to do so more and more.

    11Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you, 12so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody.”
    God bless you and draw you ever closer to Him, so that you come to know fully the depths of His love for us –all of us, and His great mercy and compassion, as well as to understand the wrath to come.

    July 24, 2010 at 2:01 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for taking the time to add your reply. I am afraid that you are missing the bigger picture though. The theology that Thompson and his sort espouse is dangerous to say the least and eventually, someone will end up being hurt very badly as a result of this dominion teaching ending up in the minds of impressionable young people.

    July 28, 2010 at 8:52 am
  • Charlette Finfrock says:

    Looking forward to reading more. Great blog article.Much thanks again. Really Great.

    August 1, 2010 at 4:54 pm
  • Alisha says:

    I don’t think its fair for you to judge what Damon is preaching, after 5 minutes of hearing him. If you don’t believe in miracles, then why do you even call yourself a Christian? I pray that you will be delivered of your jealousy, in Jesus’ name!

    August 1, 2010 at 8:00 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    alisha, In no way have I judged Damon Thompson based upon just 5 minutes of his speaking. I have listened to hours of his speeches. Not believe that God can do whatever he wants on this Earth, however, the age in which he uses man to perform miraculous wonders has passed. Read the New Testament for more on that topic. Exactly what do you suppose I am jealous of since you threw that accusation out there.

    August 1, 2010 at 8:18 pm
  • Cara says:

    Thank you so much for writing this article. A member of my family has been quoting this Damon man and she also tells everyone that she can heal people. She has attended The Ramp and when she talks about Christianity, it sounds more like a cult than a relationship with Jesus. When we talk about the Bible or anything to do with Jesus, I feel like she has been brain washed, and most everything she says is the total opposite I think a true Christian would say. Yesterday she told our family that she was sinless and she lives a life without sin…

    August 2, 2010 at 11:25 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Sorry Cara. Pray for your sister and show her the truth through scripture.

    August 2, 2010 at 11:28 am
  • Alicia says:

    I just have one question. How many souls are you winning into the Kingdom with this attitude? Where is your fruit? I’d like to see some.

    August 3, 2010 at 8:38 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    The fruit will come when one person who is blinded by bright lights and showmanship thinks twice about what they are being taught there and looks to scripture to properly discern what their eyes are seeing and ears are hearing. This will probably be fruit that I never know of Alicia and I am fine with that. I didn’t realize it was a competition and I believe that Paul was just fine with it not be when saying that he was happy knowing he simply planted a seed for some other later to water. God bless you.

    August 3, 2010 at 2:50 pm
  • faith hollingsworth says:

    Hi! I have a simple request. Since you felt it fair game to attack Damon’s appearance and post a picture of him on your blog, I was wondering if you might be willing to post a full-length picture of yourself? Thanks!

    August 3, 2010 at 11:24 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Faith, if you walked away from reading the posts about Damon’s speaking thinking this is a discussion about appearance, then you have completely missed the point and I question if you even took the time to read the posts. I specifically wrote regarding Thompson’s appearance that it was “not the issue at hand…” If you would like to discuss the issues discussed in the posts I will gladly oblige you but to discuss Thompson’s personal appearance, other than to state that he revels in his unconventional appearance, is a practice in futility. Again, the problem is the message, not the appearance, and I believe that if and when you take the time to read past the third paragraph of the post you will find that holds true. The point of this post is that those of you who have fallen prey to the neo-montanists of The Ramp need to be more discerning. I believe that the many comments that focus in on only what was (or actually wasn’t) said about Thompson’s appearance serves as nothing but evidence to confirm that message. Nothing personal, but you are missing the point and I hope that you do not read this reply as me trying to be hateful. God bless you.

    August 4, 2010 at 12:31 am
  • scissor3 says:

    how do i view the other 72 comments posted prior to the comment dvdbrumley made to jannelle?

    August 5, 2010 at 12:34 pm
  • scissor3 says:

    why is all of this slandering necissary?

    August 5, 2010 at 12:50 pm
  • Matt Ray says:

    Well it looks like all of this has accomplished a lot. More division! That’s exactly what we need in the body of Christ. Satan loves this stuff right here ya know? I’m talking to everyone. Satan is at work here. He’s a sneaky guy. See how he got you all punching each other in the face with your God masks on? This is preposterous and sad. Everyone should be ashamed. The false cordiality while you try to get in the last lick. Disgusting! I don’t know what I feel about Damon Thompson, but I know that all of this backbiting and slander against each other is SIN and that’s what every single person in here should me concerned with MUCH more than “what so and so said about Damon Thompson” or “what Damon Thompson did.” You know it’s the truth in your heart so make it right. I won’t be seeing any responses to this post bc I don’t know what site this even is. I was just doing a random search of images and I ended up stopping here. Anyway, like I said I won’t be around to catch any responses (if any are made) although I’m sure they’ll be very witty and clever. So let me tell ya ahead of time, you got me! You win. :)

    August 6, 2010 at 3:47 pm
  • Samuel says:

    Hi guys,

    Before we get into a I am PRO or I am AGAINST Damon argument why don’t we find the time to scribe the heart of God concerning this. I myself, after years in church, preached and prophesied my little heart out, having been to many conferences of even more “well-known” preachers; half of them on TBN – I have come to a conclusion that it all comes down to what you personally believe is true…It all comes down to who YOU believe GOD is (who do man say that I am…)

    You can jump on me now and say where is that in the bible… well… let’s not be immature or become super-spiritual or easily agitated… but let’s talk some sense. The way you read the bible (based on experience in life, hurts, victories, defeats, background/upbringing even culture etc..) may be different to how I read the bible.. It’s all based on perception… how you perceive it. I do NOT mean that this is now a FREE for ALL – I can believe whatever I want.. NONONONO…. There is one line; or there should be; The Word of God

    BUT we will all read the bible through different glasses. If I can draw a quick conclusion I don’t think that the writer of this blog and Damon Thompson will be the best of friends… could be… but probably based on both lives philosophies (I do not personally know either of them) they simply have a total different perspective the way they look at things. NOTHING wrong with that YET not a reason to throw accusations around…

    I have been listening to Damon’s preaching for a while now; and sorry to say; overall I can not really find faults in his message that would make me mark him to be a false teacher… (maybe some more perspective here and there but I personally do not find that relevant to even mention)… What he quotes is bible.. what he can’t “prove” to be doctrinally sound; he submits as a thought or dogma; so no fault in that either…

    OR you have to put “salt on every snail” (european proverb) and zoom in to every word he speaks… IF that is the case you might as well shut this blog down because somewhere in your doctrines there will be gaps too… If you look around on the internet I see too many people that want to sit in the judgment seat and CONDEMN somebody or someone because they said something they didn’t like, or they dislike the style or whatever… I know many people but I have not found 1 person that does not have a HOLE in his/her theology… NOBODY has it all figured out… doesn’t matter who it is… you, damon, me, the pope…

    What I find to be more important (MY opinion); what is the fruit… I can honestly say that God (using Damon through preaching) has opened my eyes to a different perspective. Through the radical message I have found God again after close to 20 years of ministry/church… OH YES it is possible to be in ministry and do it with a VERY limited understanding of God and without true relationship with God… look at christian TV.. (i really doubt half of these well known guys are even born again… but anyways… the bills are paid)

    And sorry… If I can come back to Cara… don’t judge Damon because his message got interpreted a certain way… i think it is taken out of context to judge somebody by what other people take out of the message… you simply can’t do that.

    I simply hope that we would put some more time into finding God rather than to waste precious time on blogs pro / contra a man’s message / perception… The spirit / idea behind this blog may come from a pure heart… but than again… what’s the point? Warn people against Damon… well; who are you? who am I… who gave us the right to become another man’s judge? Have we become “THE JUDGE” now?

    LET THE FRUIT SPEAK OR KEEP SILENT…. but than again… what is so wrong with hundreds maybe thousands of young people on fire for God changing their schools, families and cities for God?? Now I am really going to ruin it for myself… but what does a little error or misinterpretation of scripture matter… as long as people find God.. it is about the fruit; righteousness and a pure heart.

    the letter kills… but the Spirit gives life..

    (English is not my native tongue so bear with my grammar)

    August 6, 2010 at 5:49 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Samuel, is your conclusion that there is actually no real truth? Also, I hope that your idea that the letter kills (assuming letter = Bible) changes before you find yourself drawn further away by men and women such as those discussed in these posts.

    August 6, 2010 at 11:56 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Matt, I believe if you will read the comments posted in the replies you will find that the division existed well before this was posted. The movement that Thompson is part of is one that craves division almost as much as it does wealth.

    August 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Slander is defined as words spoken falsely against another that causes harm. Seeing as this is using Thompson’s own words in discernment I don’t believe the definition fits.

    August 7, 2010 at 12:00 am
  • Don says:

    How can two people sit in a church assembly and both hear two different things. I thought Damon meant that the Holy Spirit has to reveal who Jesus is and that is what he meant by the Gospel of John had to come by way of Revelation (from the Holy Spirit). As far as the greater works that Jesus said his disciples would do because he is going (back) to the Father it makes sense to conclude that the Greater works is a transformed heart and life, not signs and wonders. These no power to save. Jesus did many signs and wonders and many still did not believe in him. You can be healed miraculously by the grace and mercy of God but unless you have been saved and born again all the healed person has is a healed body on the way to Hell. You must be born again, not healed physically to get to Heaven!

    August 7, 2010 at 1:52 am
  • Judd says:

    Okay, I have read your post your remarks to others regarding this particular issue. My knowledge of Mr. Thompson is reserved to only one sermon, and I have no other knowledge of you other than how you have conducted yourself through this posting. What I have gathered from your approach, based of many years of studying human communication, philosophy (all branches therein), as well as psychology, is that you revel in yourself. It seems you have used the Bible as a reference book for justifying your ad Hominem attacks. However, you try to cloak this fallacy of irrelevant evidence by projecting this “Christian who slays wolves” gig. You can keep throwing this, “well, Paul…”, and “scripture says”. Some on here are slightly more overt in their linguistic fallacy of emotive language, but I must say to the untrained you hide yours well.
    I used to carry my intellect on my forehead for all to see, and tried to play it cool as if I were somehow still humble, aloof. However, I knew my own heart, and my fellow biker brother saw it too. Eventually, God showed me my place. You are not as concerned with Mr. Thompson’s “false teachings” as much as you are with being antagonistic, and proud.

    I don’t want to hear any further condescending remarks rapped in pretense and FALSE caring and insincere blessings. You can save it. I am speaking to man to man; rough, mean, true to himself biker and follower of the Almighty to whatever you are. You know very well what you’re doing here, watch yourself. Humility may be crushing your little tower one day. Show wisdom, and pop it down a gear.

    Thompson may very well be everything you claim and more. However, your approach has not changed minds, it has created stonewalling, which does nothing for the souls you claim to care about. Who’s work having you truly been doing here? I know what the Bible says, but you have not been successful in what you were supposedly setting out to do. What you have gained is you won the argument only lose the battle. So hooray for your pride, but woe to those that may very well be following a false teacher (not necessarily saying that in fact he is). For you have only chased the sheep back to cliff’s edge.

    Be honest with yourself, and you will know what I have said is true. Wisdom is a gift that God has given me, the cost has been great though. I see you are not a fool but your tactics are drenched in folly. I’m not attempting to belittle you, but I was there myself at one point.

    Trying to alert people is wonderful, I am not confronting you on that matter, but prudence is lacking with you. Prudence is a virtue that is imperative for one to have in order that he discerns which avenue to take to best reach his end. The means by which you used did not reach your claimed end. That is a lack of prudence. I refer to prudence as the lamp in the dim cave of virtues. A nudge to Plato, I suppose.

    This is a response to your overall approach. Hopefully, you may learn what I have. May all glory be to God and not our pride.

    August 8, 2010 at 3:58 am
  • Judd says:

    The errors in grammer are due to lack of sleep. I still feel you can fill in what’s missing without being confused.

    August 8, 2010 at 4:05 am
  • Judd says:

    Ok, I found the particular sermon you were talking about. I have thus far only listened to the first 5+ min. With regard to the John’s Gospel not being a historical Gospel with classic theology scholars… I have seen some debate as to who the author was due to it saying, “the disciple whom Jesus loved” instead of the name of who is writing it. Then the debate brought up that in Revelation his name is mentioned 5 times. The one whom Jesus loved is ambiguous, supposedly. This discussion continues. I found the discussion rather quickly online, so I assume you can find it with ease as well. Don’t really have a viewpoint concerning this quite yet, nut this might have been what Mr. Thompson was talking about.

    As far as the “revelation” instead of a historical eye witness testimony. Putting into context, he’s saying Matthew starts with genealogy, etc. Mark using a more historian approach (not Thompson’s) John starts with OT facts, and then John the Baptist’s prophesy. Basically, Thompson is quickly, admittingly not wholly lucid, going through the way in which the synoptic gospels preface their books.

    I am not sure he’s doing a T.D. Jakes type act of heresy, however (that of denying that Christ was before He was on Earth. The eternal deity of the Lord Jesus Christ).

    August 8, 2010 at 4:58 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Judd, it seems that you are doing the same thing that you are accusing me of. God bless brother.

    August 8, 2010 at 12:52 pm
  • servant says:

    To whom it may concern; Thank you for this article.

    Tatoo–against God’s word. God’s word is forever. What is man to add and delete from the Scriptures?

    Dreadlocks–looks awesome. (probably not a sin)

    As for Damon Thompson, only the Lord can judge him.

    But I will not watch “The Ramp” anymore for what I believe are inconsistencies in Bible teaching and images/behavior that look more like the world than God’s definition of “holy” and “set apart from the world.”

    servant
    -15 years in the music and film industry

    August 8, 2010 at 3:26 pm
  • Jessica says:

    First and foremost, I am speaking both to the poster and the readers/commenters:
    It does not matter which side of this debate you are on. We need to be walking in Christian love. This is completely unnecessary. Don’t make this into a who is right fight. God and His truth is the only thing that matters. Each person needs to know the Bible for themselves and read it everyday. We cannot just believe what we are taught in church, or by Damon, or by the poster of this article, or by the commenters. We need to discern for ourselves (through the revelation of the Holy Spirit that God sent to be a Helper to each person who is saved) if what someone says or does is Biblical. When we are fighting amongst ourselves, Satan wins. The main “theme” in the Bible, is love. The greatest commandment is to love God and love people. Okay, we love God, but what about people, what about our neighbors, what about our enemies. There are so many people in the world today who are turned off by Christianity. I don’t blame them. There is such a lack of love between us, that it is hardly appealing. I don’t want to join a “group” where everyone bashes each other. Our focus should not be on who is right and who is wrong (each of us will be both at times) our focus should be on living everyday to please God, our creator, our daddy. Our focus should be on knowing Him to our fullest capabilities. When we know God, we will know who is speaking falsely and who is speaking Truth. If we know the word, we know the truth. I pray that each and everyone of us who call ourselves Christians, will be saturated by the truth.

    August 11, 2010 at 3:19 pm
  • woutjcuburn says:

    I cannot help but go back to when the religious leaders of the Day said what Jesus was doing was of the power of beelzebub. My point is if they said this about the son of God who was perfect, they will say this about all men who claim to follow Christ. No 1 was perfect as Jesus was so we all are flawed including you (MR who wrote this article) spend more time in prayer and fasting and advancing God’s kingdom as opposed to being an accuser of the brethern, remember who is an expert in that. Jesus intercedes and satan Accuses. Those who are mountain climbers for God’s Kingdom will always be pulled down by earth dwellers. Wisdom is proved right by the children she produces.

    August 11, 2010 at 10:14 pm
  • tegan says:

    Damon Thompson is just a man. He is a man who loves God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit with all he has. I have heard him in a conference. I do not put my faith in man but in God. But let me say this, God was in that place!His spirit fell, everyone was in one accord, and to say that Damon is a false prophet really breaks my heart for you. But let us not argue amongst ourselves with foolish bickering. Praise the Lord who has died for the sins of those he predestined. He is mighty and glorius. and i thank the Lord who sits on His throne in heaven for everyone at the Ramp ministries who is seeking Him and trying to spread His kingdom! Healing, revival, and awesome wonders! may His spirit be mored out in those days!

    August 11, 2010 at 11:47 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    I know plenty of men of God who negative things are never said about. Comparing Damon Thompson to Jesus is short sighted to say the least.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:31 am
  • john says:

    God is not the author of confusion and I am fully aware of what is like to be confused concerning theology.I once attended a bible college in hopes of drawing closer to God and Becoming a better christian and hopefully even learn how to help others to the cross.And well it did learn alot but through experience ,not so much in actual studies although i was top in my class and devoted all my time and energy to studying the King james 1611 line upon line precept upon precept.I quickly found myself in a sticky situation because of past experinces I had been involved in concerning healing and the prophetic.I didnt know or understand any theology on healing or the prophetic I only simply recieved Jesus as my lord and savior on one event filled evening and within that same year I personally experinced God healing people of just small things at the conclusion of prayer made on their behalf.Then I was in a church who had a so called prophet come to share some words from God and of course I thought this was crazy but I decided to quietly ask God in prayer to reveal His truth concerning prophets and I also added to that prayer my current ongoing search for specific direction with my life,since i was only 19 years of age and a newborn christan.Well out of the 30 something people in the room the prophet fella called upon me and word for word answered the prayer I had just prayed only seconds before.And not any fuzzy kinda sorta physcic mumbo jumbo stuff. So anyways back to me being in this bible college I simply told people that I belive God can do anything and use anyone He so desires to speak through.Well you would of thought that I had just been found out to be judas himself by the way I was treated.I had friends who already had their associates and bachelors in theology turn on me and threaten my life because they said I was a heritic and they would rather see me dead than for me to lead people astray.Of course I was just taken back and since I knew I had a relationship with God no matter how little I knew, Instead of allowing their actions to push me away from God I more fervently followed after God in mind and body. Through fasting and enormous amounts of my free time I studied .But I didnt study with intent to prove them wrong or me right , I studied to find truth.I laid aside my experinces and simply studied Gods words .I compared and sought out the greek and hebrew and looked at carefully the ways in wich people lived during the times in which the 66 books were written .I prayed continully and I continued in my normal studies but with even more conviction because my desire for Gods word was ever increasing .I quickly recieved my associates degree but it was the experinces that I endurd that showed me the most biblical truths by comparing them to scripture.I learned what it was for people to have a zeal for God but not according to truth,I learned how it is people could do some of the most destructive things all in the name of God.I learned also how God’s perfect Word could be transformed into a destructive weapon in the hands of satan,just as he told adam surely he wouldnt die so is the echo still coming to adams descendents ,surely its this and not that.Its incredible how our fallen nature will fight tooth and nail to preserve its dominion in our lives to the point that we read the infallible perfect Words of God and say that in our fallen state of existence that the way we read this and the way we interprete this is also infallible and perfect.I learned very quicly I had to humble myself and simply share the love of God ,for no amount of intellect concening the scriptures nor miracles signs or wonders would persuade my beloved brethren at the college to forsake their own paths and let the living Word direct them.I spent many nights in tears for them and I realized only slightly of how paul felt for his fellow brethren in desiring to see them all saved.I daily walk in knowing that in my flesh there is no good thing and that of course includes my intellect, and that there seems to be a right way before us men but it will always lead to death .So the only way and the only truth and the only life that we ought to live is one totally dependant upon that wich is perfect,complete,mature!Jesus christ for there is nother name to call upon ,not king james, not pastor so and so , not he who has studied the most,not even written words .It is Jesus the living and spoken Word that was in the beginning so it is He in whom we should seek as he gives us the privelage to read about Him.There appears to be a very fine line between true faith in Jesus and giving up all to follow Him versus faith in ourselves as we try to follow jesus but we are unwilling to give it all up.I admit some days I give it all up and I’m sold out for Christ jesus and other days I find myself trying to please God through my flesh .But I do not accept my failures , Get up and I continue to Walk in faith and give it all up for His name sake.Now 12 years after my conversion as I grow closer to that prize at the end of this race I acknowledge even more so than ever that nothing I think or do or am apart from God’s divine Guidence through His Spirit will amount to anything and on the contrary I have found my most sincere heartfelt and even doctrinally sound words have been daggers in the hands of satan when they werent inspired by the HolySpirit.I do not want to ever be found outside of Gods presence and nor do I desire to see anyone else go one moment without the same peace and joy that I experience daily.He who has an ear please listen to what the Spirit is saying.Please do not blaspheme !

    August 12, 2010 at 1:07 pm
  • Mark Jones says:

    Wow guys. I’m shocked how Christians will sit around and bicker about theology and opinion but when your neighbor is going through hell, you won’t give them a drink of water.

    August 13, 2010 at 10:51 pm
  • pentecostal says:

    I’m watching him now. I’m a classical, orthodox Pentecostal, and I wanted to see what people thought of him.

    One thing – if you don’t speak on tongues, don’t tell Pentecostals how to govern it.

    August 14, 2010 at 11:56 pm
  • Alex says:

    You wonder why he is “insulated?” It’s because of people such as yourself who call yourself a Christian but is saying that people that are commenting on this post have idolatry in their lives when you do not even know them! Sure I believe in discernment but I believe there is a way to about it. Rather than saying people have an issue with idolatry or “teetering on it”, ask them to take it to the Lord themselves and have them pray about it instead of shoving it in their face as if you believe they definitely have idolatry in their life. With that being said, I would ask you to pray and ask the Lord if you are operating under a spirit of deception – the same spirit that you believe Damon and many other Christians who support Damon and The Ramp ministry are operating under. Also, I would ask you to pray and ask the Lord if you are operating under a critical spirit. It is true that there are false prophets and teachers out there because the Word says so, however, this post was a rant, a diatribe, and I don’t feel as if it was written in love, but with bitterness and contempt of Damon and the Ramp because you feel like he is falsely teaching people that you know and love. Again, I am NOT accusing you of any of these things, I am asking you to genuinely seek the Lord on these things with a pure heart and a pure motive. Only evil spirits come to accuse. I would encourage you to lay down this post you’ve written before the Lord, ask him if your motives and your heart was right when you wrote it and ask him if you feel as if you’re operating under any deceptive or critical spirit. The reason I say this is because I have come across people that have not agreed with other ministries such as Bethel Church in Redding, CA; IHOP in Kansas City, MO; Toronto Airport Church; and other charismatic ministries. And every single one of them the Lord has given me discernment of a critical spirit with those people and I feel the same thing with this situation. Please take it to the Lord.

    August 19, 2010 at 12:39 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Sorry you feel that way Alex. Hopefully you will soon begin using scripture as your guide in life. I’m guessing here, but I suppose you play guitar, maybe even electric guitar in your church. Is that right?

    August 19, 2010 at 4:09 pm
  • walter says:

    what does Alex playing guitar have to do with anything?

    August 19, 2010 at 7:15 pm
  • Alex says:

    First off, I do use scripture as my guide in life. Sure, I am not perfect but no one is, we all mess up from time to time. But I use the Word as the instruction manual for my life. So I would appreciate, again, if you would not make accusations. As far as playing guitar, I agree w/ Walter, could you tell me what that has to do w/ anything?

    August 20, 2010 at 6:44 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Your use of guitar in your church services serves to disprove that you “use the word as the instruction manual for” your life. That is why I made the point.

    August 21, 2010 at 7:56 am
  • Alex says:

    So, let me see if I understand you correctly…..you believe that my “use of guitar in church” shows that I don’t use the Word as my life’s guide? Does this mean you don’t believe playing guitar during worship is Biblical? If this is true, what does David mean in Psalm 150 when he speaks of “praising Him with the strings”? What is now the modern guitar today is very similar to the stringed instruments used in Biblical times. So to say that anyone who plays guitar for a worship team is not living a Biblical life because someone makes a claim that it’s not Biblical is living in legalism.

    If you’re making this comment from the assumption that I play on the worship team for attention is false. And if this is an accusation you’re making, again I would appreciate if you wouldn’t do that. There are people that speak prophetically, sing prophetically, and play prophetically – just as David did. When I play prophetically, I do not do it to get the attention of people or the approval of man. It’s the gifting the Lord has given me and I give it back to Him and serve and worship Him with that gifting.

    I have two other things to say. One is a request. Is there another way I can contact you so we can speak or chat on a one-to-one basis? Because there are some things I’d still like to discuss but I don’t feel the need to share it on this blog for the whole world to see. The second thing is that I’m still discerning a critical spirit and I would ask the Lord about it. Please don’t simply blow off that statement but really ask the Lord. If you have and you don’t feel as though this is the case, then ok that means I’ve done all I can do with the exception of pray for you. The reason I say this though is because there were times when people have commented on this blog with their own defense of Damon Thompson, many times through scripture, and you have made sarcastic and hateful replies toward those people in your own defense. I am not saying you’re not a man who knows the Word, however I don’t see much love shown to these people whom you’ve thrown sarcasm at. When people have made a post to defend Damon Thompson (not themselves), you have replied back and made attempts to defend yourself and your post and at the same time have been critical and attempted to point out flaws with me and others that have replied to this post. I have no problem with you wanting to defend yourself up and continue to back yourself up with scripture, however, I think it’s very wrong that you’re not walking in love when replying to posts, attempting to purposely embarass people by pointing out what you think are flaws or ways they’re not living a Biblical life, and throwing in sarcastic comments and attempting to degrade people and make them feel like they’re not living Godly lives.

    Before you write a reply post to “rebuke” me (because I’ll be honest, I feel like that’s what you’re wanting to do), sincerely pray about what the Lord wants you to do at this point. And I would ask that if you do reply to this, #1 please stop making assumptions, being critical and sarcastic, and do not attempt to degrade me. #2, please address each paragraph of this post, not just part of it. And #3, I have been in prayer, just as I promised, that the Lord would reveal any area of false prophesy from Damon, Dutch Sheets, Lou Engle, and anyone else that I see as a spiritual leader. I would ask that you pray that the Lord would give you an open heart and open mind to the fact that maybe these men aren’t false prophets and that they are legitimate. Please don’t let pride prevent you from doing this but be open to it and should you feel the same way even after praying about it, then that’s fine.

    August 22, 2010 at 6:35 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    So as a New Testament Christian Alex, your defense for using a guitar in your worship, a practice not shown in N.T. scripture, is an Old Testament scripture. You do understand the danger in doing this don’t you? If you are going to model your life and worship from the Old Covenant, you are binding yourself to keeping the entire law of the O.T. perfectly. As far as your other comments, I am sorry that you feel that way. The Lord has revealed to you and the entire world that these men are false prophets, sadly you are just not willing to accept what the Lord has given. That seems to be the problem with most word of faith people though, what the Lord has already given isn’t good enough. Again, I am sorry that we disagree and if my factual comments seem degrading to you, perhaps it is not my comments that you need to evaluate. Perhaps it is your beliefs.

    August 22, 2010 at 7:42 am
  • Alex says:

    So, if what you’re saying is the case, then something like the Ten Commandments should not be followed because it’s in the Old Testament? Sure I agree with you that we live in the New Covenant but I guess we just have to agree to disagree on your statement regarding the Old Testament. I don’t believe I’m binding myself to keep the law of the Old Testament just because I’m following scripture in the Old Testament. All scripture is God-inspired and God-breathed. If what you’re saying is true, then we’re supposed to ONLY follow what is in the New Testament – about 1/3 of the Bible – and then the New Testament – about 2/3 of the Bible – is just a bunch of accounts and stories as well as prophecies that, if I’m understanding you correctly, we’re supposed to ignore – which obviously includes the prophecy of Jesus being crucified and redeeming us from our sins. If I’m not understanding you correctly on this, please let me know.

    And it’s not what you say are your factual comments that are degrading, it’s the sarcasm you’re using in some of your replies, for example: “More time studying your Bible and less time mumbling mindless sounds would probably be helpful”. This is a degrading reply you made to someone who commented on this. I felt you completely ignored this part on my last post and blew it off, even as I requested that you would address it (and I don’t think that blaming it on my beliefs is an appropriate answer.) As far as what the Lord has given to me and “word of faith people” and the fact that “what the Lord has already given isn’t good enough,” what about the scripture in Isaiah where it talks about the Lord doing a new thing? You don’t have to reply to this part because I’m sure you’re going to say that I’m taking that scripture out of context, I’ve heard it before. But I would appreciate it if you would address my other parts of my previous post, including possibly a way to speak in private regarding this, again, simply because there are things I’d like to discuss that I don’t think necessary for the rest of the world to see.

    August 23, 2010 at 7:04 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Alex, God Himself has not changed, but the Old law no longer serves to provide us salvation. What it does for us now is reveal our sins to us. So, in essence, no, your goal is not to follow the Ten Commandments as a Christian. All these things you disagree with me on have decayed according to scripture (Heb. 8:13). Sorry that you do not see it at this time, but if you are going to justify yourself and practices by using O.T. scripture, which is totally different from being justified by Christ, then you are treading into Paul’s subject of conversation in the book of Galatians and you are binding yourself to the whole law and as Paul points out, condemning yourself and denying Christ. You are not taking into account either that only the Levites were allowed to play instruments under the old law (2 Chron. 29:25). Are you a Levite Alex? If not, then you are violating both covenants. Yikes. My hope for you is that you will learn to abide in the doctrine of Christ, the new covenant discussed in 2 John 9. By doing so, you are not dismissing 2/3 of the Bible as you claimed. rather, when you learn to read your scripture as being a complete revelation of God in the form of His Son Christ, you understand that from the creation account to Revelation, what you hold in your hand is the story of the Savior Jesus Christ. This will actually lead you to understand the Bible and God’s love for us more.
    As I said earlier, I am sorry if you misinterpret my writing to you as sarcastic or mean-spirited. That is not the case and perhaps your feeling is a wrong one. I don’t always like to have the truth told to me either. Regarding your “scripture in Isaiah where it talks about the Lord doing a new thing,” if you could provide the passage you are referring to so everyone may read it, that would be helpful. Perhaps when you read it again, you could ask yourself this: is that passage talking about Christ or some dream that takes place in the year 2010? I hope you will provide the answer to all of us Alex. God bless.

    August 23, 2010 at 8:31 am
  • Alex says:

    As far as that scripture, it’s in chapter 43 of Isaiah. I’m sorry I don’t remember the verse, I’m at work at the moment and don’t have a Bible handy. But I believe that new thing that is talked about applies to the New Covenant church. But again, that is something that was spoken to me that DOES bear witness with me, so you can disagree if you want to.

    I don’t mind having the truth told to me, however, what I do mind is someone – and, again, disagree w/ me if you want to – who wants to speak truth into me (whether I know them or not) but has a heart issue, which I clearly illustrated in my last post when you called someone mumbling and mindless, and does not want to admit it. So it is clear that you don’t always like having the truth told to you either.

    Regardless of who is right or who is wrong in any topic we’ve talked about, I feel like I’m wasting my time with continuing to reply to these posts, so unless you want to talk about it in private – which, again, you did not address that – this will be my last post. I know you obviously have my email address since you know I play guitar, so you may contact me that way should you choose. Otherwise, like I said, this is my last post and I will not be checking back to this page for a reply. So if you feel the need to talk more about this, please use my email address so we can discuss more privately.

    August 23, 2010 at 9:26 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Alex, again, I am sorry that you feel that way. I do find it odd that the very people who would say “don’t judge,” are the ones who would judge me as having a heart issue. I believe that is called talking out of both sides of the mouth. Just for clarification though, I do have a heart issue. My heart is a wretched thing and wants to serve only me and my idols. As Martin Luther said, “the heart is an idol factory.” Should you read the other posts on this website, you would find frequent acknowledgement of that. By that same token though, you have the same issue, I know that because scripture says as much. That is why my criticisim of Thompson focuses on his teaching, no more, no less.

    I hate that you will not be replying anymore. I am currently not interested in having any private conversation with you by e-mail. As I see it, more good can come from having the conversations here in a public forum at this time where others can see and learn.

    By the way, you are correct, the new thing that is discussed in Isaiah 43:19 is discussing Christians who have been buried with Christ in baptism. All matters discussed in the N.T. (2 Cor. 5:17 and Rev. 21). I do fail to see how this verse points to any defense of new revelation or other word of faith matters that you hoped to use it for. Perhaps you are a prophet Alex because you were correct, I am going to say that you pulled that verse completely out of context and used it for your own purposes and defense of man-made doctrine. Either that, or you knew it was wrong when you said it.

    God Bless

    August 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm
  • walter says:

    ive been studying the tithe and its not mentioned in the new testament but once. in that case Jesus was rebuking the pharisees for paying more attention to that when they should be following all the law. in most churches today we still practice the tithe.Paul says to give according to what you have in order to give more.My question is that you say and I agree that we are under the new covenant,why are we still practicing the tithe, of giving 10%, if it’s under the old covenant.

    it sounds like you have a problem with pentacostals, and isnt Damon thompson and other people you call “false prophets” pentacostals?Because after looking at your website this is what it looks like. If you dont mind me asking sir what denomanation are you if any?

    And I do agree with Alex when he says you talk down to people like your more superior to us. You may know your Bible better than us but that dosent mean you have to talk down to us and make assumptions that we dont study our Bibles or we dont belive in what the Bible says.But I will say its hard to know how to take a person in this form of communication.Jesus talked directly to people but he never talked down to them.

    August 23, 2010 at 7:37 pm
  • walter says:

    I know it says in the Old Testament that we shouldent have tattoos but in the New Testament there is no mention of it. I know the Bible says that our bodies are Gods temple and we shouldent defile it.But dont we defile our bodies everyday by the food we eat the movies we watch, the music we listen to, the thoughts we have. My point is that no one is perfect and just because you play the guitar in church, wear dreads or have tattoos dosent mean that you are going to hell, if you believe in Jesus Christ.

    August 23, 2010 at 7:59 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Walter, I have no problem with pentecostals. The problem lies within pentecostal teaching. It is currently the fastest growing teaching of Christianity in America and that should cause any Bible discerning Christian to shutter. It is nothing more than neo-montanism and not scriptural. You are correct about the tithe. I proudly belong to a church that does not practice, teach, and definitely does not demand tithing. The reasoning behind that is exactly what you pointed out – it is not found in the New Testament. To answer your question, I do not belong to a denomination at all. Regarding how Christ spoke to people – I would request that you read John 8, specifically verse 44. What you may find interesting in that reading is that Christ is speaking to the very Pharisees who you mentioned in your comments on tithing. You can draw quite the conclusion there then that teachers today who demand and constantly teach the tithe (or other O.T. law for following) are, as Christ put it, “of their father ____ ________.” I will let you fill in the blanks there so that you can see it as Christ’s teaching, not mine.

    August 23, 2010 at 8:27 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Excellent point Walter. I don’t believe I have ever said that anyone who has tattoos is going to Hell. What I am saying to Alex is that if you are going to justify yourself and your actions based upon following of O.T. ritual and law, you are binding yourself to the entire law. That is essentially shunning God’s grace and denying what was made available to us through Christ.

    August 23, 2010 at 8:30 pm
  • Tom says:

    If what he preaches is not of God then it is destined to fail. If it is of God……..

    Are you a Campbellite?

    August 24, 2010 at 1:47 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    What is a Campbellite exactly Tom? I am a New Testament Christian.

    August 24, 2010 at 6:57 am
  • Tom says:

    The Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement
    The “Christian Church”, The “Church of Christ”, and the “Disciples of Christ”
    These three Christian sects form what is commonly referred to in theological history as the Campbellite or Restoration Movement. As denominations, they trace their roots to a number of nineteenth century, dissident Presbyterian and Baptist clergy — e.g. Barton Stone, Thomas Campbell and his son, Alexander

    August 24, 2010 at 7:23 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Tom, I am a member of the restoration movement, i.e., those who seek to fulfill the gospel and worship in the spirit of those first century, New Testament Christians. No, I am not a Campbellite though. as in we follow a doctrine of Campbell. The New Testament is our guide. We rely upon the dreams, visions, and workings of the Holy Spirit as given to the apostles in their writings rather than the dreams, visions, or faux understanding of contemporary men.

    August 24, 2010 at 7:39 am
  • Tom says:

    So you believe the gifts of the Spirit is not for the Church today but was for the Church at Corinth.

    The reason I ask is to get an understanding on where you are coming from on your arguements.

    August 24, 2010 at 7:45 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Tom, should you read the comments in full on this post as well as part 2 of this series, you will find perfectly where I stand on the issue that you are curious about. That would be better than rehashing this conversation.

    August 24, 2010 at 7:56 am
  • Tom says:

    I don’t really have the time or feel like reading all of the posts on this blog. I thought it would be pretty easy for you to answer. I’m not asking you this to debate this whole thing just curious on where you are coming from. I have read a lot of it though and have come to the conclusion that you don’t believe that the Gifts of the Spirit are for the Church today. I’m not here for debate, I would just like more understanding on your Doctrinal beliefs. That is why I asked if you were a campbellite. I don’t want to put you in a denominational box but it would be easier to understand you as a person.

    Thank You for listening and God Bless you and all
    on this board in Jesus name,

    Tom

    August 24, 2010 at 8:21 am
  • MikeL says:

    I will start off by saying I am not familiar with this blog, you Brumley, or even Damon Thompson. I only heard of him recently because of his association and influence with a Christian hardcore band called For Today. I also admit that I am not really familiar with the Bible in detail, I am not a charismatic or anything like that, and I am Christian youth, otherwise labeled as “gullible” and “immature.” Let me know say right now that I am NOT “gullible”: yes I admit ignorance to most scriptural knowledge, but don’t be so naive yourself that the Bible is the only foundation for God. I realize that I don’t have a lot of spiritual matters figured out, but life is a journey and I will find the truth along the way. Further, didn’t Jesus say that we need to be like children in our faith in God? These “immature” youth are just that, are they not?

    I’ve read about two-thirds of this forum before I got tired of the repetitive and ongoing battle at hand. I have the greatest respect for the two Matts–the one grounded in the word and the one who provided an in-depth retort to this post–for I can say they are the sanest and most analytical I’ve read so far. I tip my hat to you gentlemen and pray for your continued strength in your faith.

    Returning to the comments about appearance–”wolf in tiger’s clothing–and I recall also someone saying that worship should be “peaceful.” Recently, I went to Soulfest (for those of you not familiar with it, it’s a 4-day christian music festival in New England). I spent most of my time at the hardcore stage, seeing performances from bands like For Today, August Burns Red, Flatfoot 56, and Maylene And The Sons of Disaster. I will say right now that it was NOT peaceful: people were jumping around and moshing and singing at the top of their lungs. But you know what? I felt the greatest spiritual connection to my brothers/sisters and God in that otherwise chaotic scene that I ever did for the conventional worship acts or sermons. Moreover, I joined arm in arm with my brothers/sisters during those songs and witnessed so many people find Christ because of these humble performers who were honest and passionate and most of all human (many of them tattooed and looking rather dirty). They did not speak from a pulpit or from upon a throne, they came into the crowd and witnessed in the name of the God they would give their lives for. THAT, my friends, is the sense of spiritual security and serenity that I wish I had and I pray for you to obtain.

    To conclude, I will say that I do admire your courage, Brumley, in posting this and standing for your beliefs. I respect that and even though I don’t really agree with you, I know you are doing what you see as right in the name of Christ. However, it does bother me that you debunk the commentors here as “immature” or “illogical” and such. It reveals that you are, indeed, quite arrogant and self-righteous and you probably mistake your attacks as mere confidence and loyalty to the Word. Let me just say that doubt is not terrible, my friend: it prevents us from an all-too-comfortable confidence and keeps false truths and delusions in check. It is often necessary to hit rock bottom and be reborn to be truly steadfast in the things that you know are true. It also amuses me to no end that you often ended your statements with “God bless (you)” to veil your own contempt you truly hold for those who have spoken here. Its kinda like saying “just kidding” after tearing someone down completely: the pseudo-nullification just doesn’t work. And again, when it comes to appearance, I’ve seen plenty of tattooed Christian youth who are infinitely more spiritual and faithful than there narrow-minded, conventionally-thinking elders. But I digress, believe what you will.

    So, charismatic or not, wise or ignorant, you can decide whether to post my two-cents. You can respond, but I will probably never be back here again, I am far too busy to continue theological debates on this scale. Again, I offer up my admiration for your bravery in writing as you did, and I completely pray with utter sincerity that you and everyone here will find serenity, love, and everything true you desire. God bless, and remember that He is Love!

    August 24, 2010 at 8:44 am
  • MikeL says:

    P.S. I respect all disparities or differing opinions from my own beliefs. As a philosophy minor, I acknowledge and welcome polite discussion, especially of spiritual or religious issues. If I knew any of you here, I’d be more than happy to have lunch with you and debate the finer points of such things :)

    August 24, 2010 at 8:49 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    1 Cor. 13 – 15 lays the foundation for my beliefs about spiritual gifts Tom.

    August 24, 2010 at 9:28 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Mike, you are making judgments about me aren’t you? You can’t have it both ways. Again, as you and others seem to dewll on it (which indicates you may have not read the piece in whole), the foundation of my position has nothing to do with appearance. I hope that as you grow in Christ your opinion and value of the scripture as the whole revelation of God will change. Mysticism is not Christianity.

    August 24, 2010 at 9:32 am
  • MikeL says:

    Well, I guess I’m back after all, just couldn’t resist. Anyway, it’s true that I’m making a judgment about you. My apologies. It is quite difficult to live a non-judgmental/loving life, esp. when that love requires you to speak up and speak out against a person’s actions or misbeliefs.

    It’s true, your article DIDN’T focus on appearance, which was good. But of course, why even bring up the topic if it’s irrelevant? Wolf in sheep’s clothing is metaphorical after all, not applying to literal appearance. In any case, I was throwing in my two cents as to appearance and living a Christian life.

    I do admit that I should probably pay more heed to Scripture and grow in that knowledge. At the same time, I believe that God transcends the inconsistencies and contradictions within the Bible: gospel is inspired, no doubt, but we are mere men prone to our own interpretation, taking what we like and using it to our advantage (whether its in its original context or not). We are all guilty of it, it is human nature.

    And be careful of the use of the term “mysticism.” Christianity DOES have mystical practices and beliefs ingrained in its system. There are extremes, yes, but do not wholly sever it from Christianity.

    “The kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

    August 26, 2010 at 8:12 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Mike, thanks for the gracious comments. That being said, I must clear a couple of things up.
    1. There exist no / zero inconsistencies and/or contradictions in scripture. This is an atheistic approach to looking at scripture and your statement of such proves that point that I was making that those who follow/trust in men such as THomson do not hold and/or study the word of God as it is meant to be studied. If anyone has taught you or feeds into your belief that men of God are prone to take scripture and use it for their own advantage, you need to flee that person or those people and you definitely need to reevaluate how a true man of God handles the scripture.
    2. There is no need to be careful when using the term mysticism in the context of which I have used it. There is no call in scripture to use mystical practices or other esoteric (I am assuming that is the word that best desribes what you believe the verse you provided implies) ceremonies/rituals to receive the spiritual blessings that God provdes.
    3. Your belief that men normally use scripture as an ends to a mean is very disturbing. If you have spent so much time and energy with men who consistently rip text out of its scriptural context (as you have Luke 17:21), that you now believe that is the norm among men of God, please escape those men and find yourself a church where the Bible and the Bible alone are taught.

    August 26, 2010 at 9:23 am
  • Jordan says:

    Damon Thompson is the most loving passionate for the word of God person I have ever met in my life, millions have been touched by The Ramp ministry. Blessed are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all manner of evil against you falsely for my name sake” You don’t know Damon, you are basing everything off of one or two messages, have you prayed with Damon? Have you been challenged to get closer to Jesus by listening to his messages? Have you spent time with Karen Wheaton, or Chosen? have you called the Ramp on any given day and talked with any of them? They are the most Christ-like people I have ever met, and they will tell you any day it’s about Jesus…not about Damon, or about any body special, but about Jesus and His sacrifice, Damon called out my brother and had a word from God that led to his salvation experience, don’t tell me he is false because millions of lifes are being affected for Jesus because of The Ramp… I pray God softens your heart.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:55 am
  • Michael says:

    Ok, do not blame Thompson for MY view. I don’t even really know his ministry, as apparently you don’t either. Listening to a few podcasts doesn’t give you enough evidence/leverage to provide a counter-argument. My views are my own: influenced by others, yes, but not by Thompson and I have my own original beliefs.

    Using scripture to one’s advantage…isn’t that EXACTLY what we’re all doing here? Throwing biblical quotes around like they’re mere arguments in a thesis? I’m not saying it to be cynical, it’s just the truth. We have our beliefs, and we justify them by the passages that we choose. Yes you have your background and view the Bible as you’ve been taught and instructed. And of course I’ve been taughted and instructed to view it from a different perspective. How is that “wrong?” Is your faith that blind that you believe your interpretation is so infallible?

    And if there are no contradictions in scripture, what about the two Creation stories (i.e. Seven Days vs. Man created first)? Or that the writing styles–prose and poetry–in the Book of Job suggest incosistency rather than creativity?

    And would you quote OUTSIDE the Bible, i.e. the Gnostic gospels? Are these not scripture as well? They were rejected from being included in the Bible as being heresy. But how can that be if all scripture is inspired by God? Were these gospels really blasphemy or just another piece of the puzzle that is our mysterious God?

    In any case, I tire of this discussion. I have a friend who is much like you and we have butted heads on many occasions. I eventually gave up on debating theological topics with him: he obviously thought I was misguided/ignorant/wrong, and vice versa. I say agree to disagree (and yes, I realize that’s a very “atheistic” kind of assertion). I wish you the best, good sir, and pray that God blesses you abundantly as you grow ever deeper in your faith and relationship with Christ.

    (I am adament that I shall not return here. Feel free to have the final word but I will not engage you further. Once more, God bless. Perhaps one day we will both arrive in the Kingdom and be as true brothers in Christ. Until then, may you find all that you are searching for in your spiritual journey).

    August 27, 2010 at 6:48 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    To the other readers, notice that the followers such as Michael of this Apostolic Reformation, agree with both montanism and gnosticisim, two systems of Christian belief proven heretical from as early as the 3rd century. History repeats itself. Michael, as I said before, hope that you will come to a better understanding of scripture in the future. Until then, good luck and please guard your heart.

    August 27, 2010 at 7:15 am
  • Darren says:

    Hey i want to get straight to the point here in that I do not want to have a huge pointless arguement with someone I do not know but i absolutely hate it when Christians attack others, imagine what non believers feel when they read your negative comments plus who are we as men to judge what others, if Damon is not of god than God will not abide within him and all that he does and as to your monetary attacks i Just want to say that Solomon asked god for wisdom yet God made him the richest Man ever,do you not believe god wants to bless everyone of his children i certainly do!but anyway please do not attack me now but rather instead of making public how you feel keep it to yourself and allow god to do what is just! ps you say Damon abides within things of this world but are you not yourself using the internet? certainly a worldly thing is it not… food for thought maybe!but god bless you man and may his love for everyone pour out across this earth and his justice and will be done!

    August 28, 2010 at 10:17 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    2 rebuttals Darren:
    1. Imagine what non-believers think when they hear a supposed man of God making proclamations that are said to be of Heavenly descent regarding future events that never occur.
    2. You need to finish your study of Soloman. God did grant Soloman wisdom, so much so that he came to learn that his, not God’s, his pursuit of riches and worldly possessions were nothing more than vanity (vapor). That is the wisdom that God gave. If you have read in scripture or have been taught that God wants his disciples to be rich, you may be reading and being taught in error.

    Thanks for the comments.

    August 28, 2010 at 10:54 am
  • Char says:

    Hi..I just want to say, I actually just got back from a conference at the Ramp, and God is completely in everything happening there he is using Karen Wheaton and youth group in a mighty way to reach a generation that doesn’t want status quo,but that are hungry for God’s presence. IF you attend one of these services you might see that the focus is not on Karen, Damon or any other person ministering there, but only on seeking A Holy God …You can just walk in and feel his presence and I can say from personal experience that the Holy Spirit is doing mighty works in that place…and Damon preached two nights of the conference and everything he said was backed up by scripture. Now, I’m no great preacher, but I don’t think God would allow his presence to fall as greatly as it does there if there are false prophets teaching to the very people that are being touched so greatly by God..I had a few concerns when reading this…I have read a few times where you say that what Damon is preaching is backed up by only dreams and revelations he has had and that it was false teachings…but if you read in Acts 2:17-18 it states ” In the last days,God says, I will pour out my spirit on all people, your sons and daughters will PROPHESY your young men will SEE VISIONS and your old men will DREAM dreams. Even on my servents,both men and women, I will pour out my spirit in those days and they will prophesy.” now excuse me if misunderstood what you said but when you say Damon preaching on dreams he has had is false preaching, then you must not have read the scripture correctly because that is most definately Biblical. God speaks to people in different ways,including dreams. Also you attack Damon’s appearence, which I find to be judgmental to begin with…So he had dreads and tattoos. Ok last time I checked God looks at what is in your heart,not your hairdo. I actually laughed a little to myself to think that you would actually use that in your argument to identify him as a false prophet, and I have a tattoo. Does this mean that God can’t use me? IT just comes down to this really, God will use people we don’t expect and his work will be done whether you are willing to accept that or not, and once again you said that the Bible only speaks of the blind being able to see again in a spiritual sense…umm pretty sure the Bible also says that you shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover..So why is it wrong for Damon Thompson to believe that we as spirit filled Christians can heal the blind, or raise the dead? It is in God’s word that he gives us the power through his Holy Spirit to do these things.. IT seems that you might be lacking in your faith, but once again, God’s Holy Spirit will move reguardless of how your perceive those that he is using for his glory. But, hey what do I know? I’m just a gullible twenty something year old. Thanks and God bless

    August 29, 2010 at 11:36 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Char, I am afraid you are way off base and would love for you to respond to a few questions.
    1. You report that you were at the Ramp this past weekend? Could you tell us on the last night of the conference what Thompson’s lesson was about? Even further, can you tell us what scripture was used in the lesson and what Bible you learned? Did you open your Bible at all during that time?
    2. Also, regarding your “experience” at the Ramp, on the last night, what gospel did you hear? Can you please share it with us or was the lesson all about you and the kids with you and the fact that you weren’t doing enough for God to please Him?
    3. How many times in the lesson on that last night did Thomson (a) insult other churches or “religion” (b) suggest the power of rebellion against N.T. elderships? (c) claim to be part of an apostolic succession?
    4. During any of the time that Thompson “prophesying” in tongues, could you tell us what the interpreter of the tongue told you he was saying? Was there an interpreter?
    4. You are correct, Peter does reference the prophet Joel’s prophecy of dreams and visions in the last days. We do live in what is known as the last days today and that began on the day of pentecost. That being said, you need to look further in scripture and you will find, as has been discussed ad nauseum on this website, that those powers and gifts passed away and that we no longer have permission to teach dreams and visions. Paul charged Timothy, “preach the word.”
    5. Have a good read of Colossians 2:16-18 and after reading 18, ask yourself if you were possibly in the presence of people that Paul could have been discussing there?
    6. Unless you intend to answer all of the questions posed re: your “experience” this weekend, please do not respond to this as I am not interested in debating with you, but rather with seeking truth. I alread know the truth of the questions posed, I am just curious if you do since you were there and I suppose “leading” a group of children to this faux worship. Like sheep to a slaughter?

    August 30, 2010 at 9:03 am
  • Char says:

    he taught out of Samuel and I didn’t hilight what chapter..I study from NIV which is the Bible I had at the conference. He simply taught that we should seek God in everything we do…whether it be school, work,relationships,friends..whatever… and that we are not to be Godly in front of some people and worldly in front of others. The lesson had nothing to do with making ourselves or him look better, but that we should strive to please God and draw to a closer walk with him. Not one time did Damon insult any other group or religion or suggest any power of rebellion against anything..not sure where you are getting all of this. Damon did speak in tongues…but, I believe speaking is tongues is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit…I have done this myself. It Isnt always a prophesy. Sometimes it is the Holy Ghost praying through you when you are not sure what to pray.and there is not always interpretation every time you speak in tongues, but tongues were translated at one point in the service, by another woman. and Im sorry but I do not believe that those things have passed away I believe that God’s Holy Spirit is for us now. Why would God give us all these promises in the Bible and then be like o wait that promise isn’t for you or your generation sorry. There has been visions and dreams that my pastor has had that God reveled to him that have indeed come to pass,there have also been many healings that I myself have witnessed. So you can argue with me about that point all day but it’s not gonna change anything. I feel like you know scripture well but you also have to have a relationship with God. I feel if you had a true one you would understand a little better this whole situation. and also nothing you can say or do can take away the spirit of God that I personally felt in that place. You can say what you want and debate all day long, but God’s power touched me that whole weekend. It also says in the Bible where two or three are gathered in my name there I shall be also…so yea God was there with us. I guess you just think the Bible was only for those who lived in those days and that it’s not for us, but I will have to say you are very incorrect. ..and by the way, I didn’t “lead” the children there I was apart of the group myself. I simply went to have a visitation from God and thats exactly what happened! Maybe if you have true a visitation from God yourself you might see things a little different. And i am no longer debating with you because I know what I believe is true and nothing is going to change my mind so you would be wasting breath… and judging me like you have or judging the Ramp and those involved is definately not the way to spread good news of Jesus Christ to the world. I actually find it a bit hyprocritical..so you should possibly find a different strategy. No need to argure back.I have said my peace.Thanks

    August 30, 2010 at 3:13 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Char, for what it’s worth, the answer was 1 Samuel 6. He told you guys to turn there at the first and then never returned to it. NEVER. That is the feet you decide to sit at. Also, you are incorrect in saying that he never did any of the things that I asked you about. I heard them with my own ears. One of the insults was about a church nearby to where you are that, and I quote, “only has 48 people there on Easter Sunday.” Does that ring a bell? Weird isn’t it Char? It’s almost like I was there and you weren’t. You are off Biblically as well but you only need read the other comments on this posting to find out how so.

    August 30, 2010 at 3:36 pm
  • Char says:

    im sorry but when the Spirit of God moves…the lesson that you might have had planned goes out the window..that is why we never turned our Bibles. It is all about what God wants to do…not our plans..and when he said that about that church it was not to bash or judge you take it out of context..and Damon Thompson is not my God and never will be and neither are you.I do not decide to sit at his feet.I decide to sit at the feet of Jesus because no man on this earth will judge me in the end only God. and it’s funny how you say I am Biblically incorrect considering I just read the scriptures I was reguarding. And you can say im wrong all day, but you haven’t had my experience and you don’t know how God has touched me, not Damon Thompson, but GOD. And have you seen anything from the Ramp besides Damon preaching? Have you seen the thousands of people young and old calling on the name of Jesus and being touched? have you witnessed the alters full of people giving their hearts to Jesus? Have you seen how the power of God sweeps over people when Chosen does dramas or how in love with God they are. have you heard the testimonies of the people in Chosen(which is under Karen Wheaton who you also decided to attack) where lives have been forever transformed by God? IT has to be A God thing or none of that would take place, But yet you still continue judging a move of God that is changing thousands of lives all over this world and the people that he is using to help do it. I just hope one day your eyes will be open to all that you missing because nothing can even begin to compare to God’s presence..so I will pray for you and thanks for responding but please don’t respond to this comment because I don’t want to just keep going back and fourth on here. thanks

    August 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm
  • Char says:

    and I also want to say im sorry if I came off rude in any of my posts in any way, because it was not intentional….God should be our main focus in all that we do. God bless everyone!

    August 30, 2010 at 4:38 pm
  • Char says:

    This will be my last comment but I just wanted to to say that I feel you think just because some of us are younger(teens and 20′s) that we are just stupid worldly people who cant have a true knowledge of God. I get this from something you mentioned in an earlier post and I quote… “When every essence of your being, your wardrobe, your tattoos, your speech, and your messages point to making you relevant to not only the world, but the world of immature, gullible, weak, and unlearned youth”…honestly I was offended by this and I just wanted to respond to that statement by quoting the word of God. “Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young,but set and example for the believers in speech,in life,in faith,and in purity.” 1 Timothy 4:12…..I might be younger than you, but I am not immature, gullible, weak or unlearned and God can use me just as easily as he could a 40 year old minister…for that matter God can use any age,race,color gender appearence(such as tattoos, piercings,hairdos) or background he is no respecter of person.Because not everyone grew up in a nice house with nice clothes and good Christian families who are well seasoned and have been saved for 50 years and God doesn’t limit who he wants to use to just those people. It is offered to everyone. I just want you to know just because some of us are young and look different than you and don’t worship exactly the way that your generation does doesn’t mean that we are worldly and that we do not have a true and loving relationship with Jesus Christ and also it doesn’t mean that we don’t understand his word and calling on our lives. but this will be my last post.thanks for letting me express my feelings on all these topics

    August 30, 2010 at 6:07 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Char, i will only respond to your last comment. You are young and you do need proper leadership. The letter to Timothy was written to one specific young man who had been trained in the gospel properly by the most prolific teacher of the gospel ever. Paul knew that of him. You guys are not being trained to teach people THE GOSPEL, the only thing that saves souls, when you visit The Ramp. I have seen what happens there and it is not Biblical training or gospel teaching. It is a tragedy because I have heard Thompson deliver the gospel in a proper and excellent ways. I hope that one day he will learn that this is enough, but unfortunately he has not yet and along with you, believes that something more is needed. I hope that your eyes will open on day.

    August 30, 2010 at 7:34 pm
  • Rainee says:

    You know, it really shouldn’t be surprising to anyone that you would post this. Anytime God is doing something in a supernatural way, opposition is going to come along. Always. Never failing. Karen Wheaton even mentioned this weekend, if she was the devil, she would want to try to stop The Ramp from continuing, because that’s what the devil is out to do; steal, kill and destroy. And that is all you are trying to do, in this article. Bash The Ramp, and its ministry. But I do tell you, it WILL succeed, because God is there. It is God’s, and miraculous things are happening there. Disagree with me, like you have everyone else. It will not change anything at all. It just shows us how judgemental you are, to even post an article such as this. You should be ashamed of yourself to even put another ministry sent by God down. This Generation is in store for something amazing, and your eyes are going to be blind to the fact, because you are too concerned about a lie, the devil has put in your mind. You just wait and see what happens in this ministry. You just wait.

    August 30, 2010 at 8:28 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Yeah, then she begged for forgiveness for “being a marketplace” Rain. I saw. Let me ask you, after that repentance, did they still try to sale you something? This is not meant to kill?, steal?, or destroy? It is in the hope that a teacher and his followers will see the error of their way and turn in repentance before it is too late. If you can’t see that, then I am truly sorry. Can you tell us exactly what “this generation” is in store for Rainee, because that is the same message that was taught to the last generation.

    August 30, 2010 at 8:40 pm
  • Rainee says:

    Do you believe that we are living in the last days? Prophesies in the bible of the last days, are right in front of us. Happening every day. And it said that in the last days, he would pour out his spirit upon all people. Which translates over to me, as meaning that it will be so powerful, the most powerful it has ever been, enough to reach all men, so powerful, it will be impossible to ignore it. Signs and wonders will happen. And it also says in the bible “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light:” I Peter 2:9. THIS generation is living in the last of the last days. THIS generation will experience the best outpour of the Holy Spirit like no other people have ever seen.

    August 30, 2010 at 10:49 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Rain, we have been living in the last days for the past 2000 years. Your belief that this is the “last of the last days” is pure speculation and not based on scripture. Your quote that “this generation will experience the best outpour of the Holy Spirit” is pure speculation and not a fact based in scripture.

    August 31, 2010 at 7:18 am
  • Rainee says:

    I gave you scripture, did I not? And I believe we ARE living in the last of the last days. Have you not read Revelation? The only prophesy that is yet to be fulfilled, is the coming of Christ.

    August 31, 2010 at 1:32 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Rain, it does not matter what you “believe,” unless it is verfiable in scripture. You originally put that you believd we were living in the last of the last days and that this generation would receieve an outpouring of the Holy Spirit like no other. That’s the same thing the Latter Rain people told the last generation. It is recycled hooks that has no Biblical backing. It does not matter what you believe unless what you believe is grounded in scripture.

    September 1, 2010 at 6:36 am
  • Rainee says:

    Aruging with you is pointless. We’ll just have to wait and see what comes to pass.

    September 1, 2010 at 1:47 pm
  • Alex says:

    Hello, so as I promised, I didn’t and won’t check any previous posts/replies just so we don’t get into a pointless debate. My sole reason of coming back is to ask a question, and it isn’t rhetorical, I am curious as to what your answer is, and anyone else’s thoughts who have commented on this thread. This isn’t any kind of “I told you so” question/statement or anything like that, I am genuinely asking a question and would like a genuine response.

    The Ramp, just within the last week and a half, became completely debt free. Karen Wheaton mortaged her home 11 years ago to get The Ramp ministry started. And they’ve been praying and praying for the last few years that the Lord would release finances so they could become debt free. Long story short, someone wrote them a check for $333,000 and completely paid off The Ramp’s debt. My question is, how can this not be a move of God? To me, this seems like a great example of fruitfulness: “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Even so, EVERY GOOD TREE BEARS GOOD FRUIT; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-20

    September 1, 2010 at 1:55 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    No we don’t Rain. We already know and it didn’t come from a Pentecostal dream or vision. It’s in the Bible. Those who place their faith in Christ and abide in Him will be lifted up to meet Him in glory. There is no need to wait and see. Heed the warnings.

    September 1, 2010 at 3:41 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Financial peace is not a sign of good fruit guitar. Find me one verse of scripture which states that. God provides the needs of the faithful. If you somehow think thousands of dollars of electrical and musical equipment is a need of the Christian church, you would be wrong. The Christians of the first centuries worshipped in caves and catacombs at times. That is the false prosperity gospel that Joel Osteen propigates. God does not deal in dollars and cents and when you begin looking for His goodness. God says help the widows, not take their money on the lure that God will bless them. Do you mind telling who wrote the check?

    September 1, 2010 at 3:46 pm
  • Walter says:

    Mr. Brumley,

    i wanted to know if you are a member of the Church of Christ denomination?

    Im a member of Church of God in Christ denomination

    September 1, 2010 at 3:57 pm
  • Walter says:

    Mr. Brumley,

    You have read “Pagen Christianity” by Frank Viola havent you?

    Im guessing you are a member of Church of Christ by the other posts you have on this website.i have looked up the churches doctrine.I understand where you are coming from better now.

    I read that many,but not all, Church of Christ people believe that music does not belong in the church, that it is pagen. And they believe that the only real church is theres. Which seems like they are saying that they’re the only ones going to heaven ,that they’re the only ones that so to speak have it right.I see why you do not like the Ramp now.Because they dont line up with YOUR doctrine,then I guess they are wrong.

    So basically if someone does not act like them, walk like them, talk like them and dress like them then they are wrong and are not Gods Children?

    September 1, 2010 at 4:24 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Walter, the Church of Christ has no doctrine. We speak where scripture speaks and are silent where it is silent. We use the New Testament as the model for our church. Again, this is not about me liking of disliking the doctrine of The Ramp. This is a call of Damon Thompson to repentance for his teaching. Read the post again. I find it fascinating that of the 140+ comments to this discussion thus far, only a small amount have actually attempted to defend what the post addresses, Thompson’s teaching. If you would like to take an attempt at that Walter, then you are welcome. Just like your Christianity, you guys appear to have been easily sidetracked by the show of the Ramp, ignoring what is actually being taught. You guys prove my point for me. Thanks.

    September 1, 2010 at 9:31 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    The Church of Christ is not a denomination. I am a member of the body of Christ as found in the New Testament Walter. You should join us.

    September 1, 2010 at 9:32 pm
  • Char says:

    I am not here to argue,I say this all out of love. but I have read these recent posts and I respect the fact that you are Church of Christ and I am not going to sit here and degrade your beliefs, just because I am Church of God and don’t believe the same way you do.And I realize the fact we will never agree on a lot of things for the simple fact that I am Pentecostal and you are not, but I have noticed that in many of your posts to others that you completely disrespect everything others believe and you have an attitude of supremacy over those that disagree with you.I have seen posts where you actually attack the Pentecostal beliefs which if I remember correctly you said that Damon Thompson was wrong for insulting other religions and beliefs(which he didnt even do) and with all do respect you are doing that very thing.It’s a bit of a contradiction don’t you think?You come off as very rude and close minded and I know im not the only one to feel this way I just ask that you respect others and if you disagree, do it in a kind way.There is a way to disagree without degrading others. There is no need to make others feel smaller or insignificant just because they don’t believe the way you do, and I know God does not approve of such things,and not even you can disagree with that

    September 1, 2010 at 10:53 pm
  • Char says:

    and honestly it doesn’t matter to me if you post my comment or not I just think it’s something you should think and pray about

    September 1, 2010 at 10:58 pm
  • Rachel says:

    After reading your post and every single comment made on this page….I’ve realized how much time I just wasted. Have you ever thought about how many atheist are in this world? Better yet, in the city you live in? We have to take ourselves out of our “bubble” and really truly take a look! An atheist OR even an agnostic person would look at this and say, “This is what christianity is all about?!” So you have to ask yourself how many people you just turned away from God. But then again you may not be seasoned or experienced in knowing how a non-believer thinks. Honestly, I would think the same thing. If this is all christians do ( and EVERYONE knows we’re “not supposed to” ) I would not want to have any part. You need to really seek the Lord in what you’re doing. You will be held accountable for every idle word that you have spoken on this website. You will be held accountable for every judgement you’ve made towards Damon. And yes…they are judgements and you will and have received the same in full measure towards yourself. I pray that you seek the Lord with your whole heart. Knowing fully his will and for him to show you His heart towards Damon. Better yet, explain your heart about God instead of shredding someone else’s.

    September 2, 2010 at 11:26 am
  • Alex says:

    Just as a response to your question, because like I said I’m not going to debate you anymore, the man who wrote the check works for NASCAR. That’s as much detail as I know.

    September 2, 2010 at 2:30 pm
  • Walter says:

    I was not attacking you i was just asking a question you dont have to be defensive about it. I just wanted to get a better understanding of what you believe.
    You say that you have no doctrine right? so why is it that on one of your posts on this website does a preacher of a church of Christ church say that doctrine is very important?

    You cant expect to post a blog about someone being a false prophet and no one is going to ask you what you believe and what your background is?

    Subjects like the trinity,God,and Jesus himself and what we believe about these subjects is Doctrine. Romans is is filled with doctrine.So yes wether you want to admit it or not you do hold to certain doctrines.

    September 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm
  • Walter says:

    Your an interesting person to debate with Mr. Brumley.I have a lot of respect for you and what you believe. It takes a lot of courage to speak out like you have.

    September 2, 2010 at 3:30 pm
  • Walter says:

    If you would look at 1 Timothy 1:10, 1Tim.4:16 and Titus 2:1 Paul talks about doctrine. And iI believe even Jesus refers to it in one of the Gospels. So it is in the new testament church. So why is it that you dont believe in having a doctrine.You said that you use the new testament church as your model so shouldent you have a doctrine?The truth is right there in the bible that we do go by a doctrine.

    September 2, 2010 at 3:53 pm
  • Joseph says:

    Damon frequently comes to our church, I understand where your coming from. I thought the same thing, until I accepted Christ in my heart and it changed me, now when I know Damon is coming for the weekend I can’t wait to get the word from him. You can call him fake or whatever but he must be doing something right, because our place is full!! We need bigger buildings just to seat people. Its not a Damon thing or a Church thing, Its a relationship with God thing, his word does align with the Bible. Just because someone uses life expereinces in his preaching, or states his opinion does not mean he’s fake. I choose to believe in Jesus Christ, and by you passing judgement like this it really makes me wonder what you believe in. You obviously have yet to start a real relationship that is passionate with God.

    September 3, 2010 at 1:59 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Rachel, the judgment is not based upon Damon, it is based on Damon’s teaching. There is a difference. Also, please do not degrade this conversation in talking about people causing division, when the very heart of the message at the Ramp is that older understanding and worship is wrong. Remove the plank from your eye and then try actually evaluating the content of the post rather than acting upon your loyalty to an idol, errrr, man.

    September 4, 2010 at 1:54 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for sharing Alex.

    September 4, 2010 at 7:09 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Walter, in the truest sense of the word, “doctrine,” means “that which is taught.” I suppose upon those lines, you could say that the church of Christ has a doctrine. However, “that which is taught” in the church of Christ is the Bible, nothing added, nothing taken away. That is why doctrine is important, because if you are not teaching the Bible and that which Christ and the authors of the epistles and revelation taught, then you are teaching “Heterodidaskaleo,” or different doctrine which deviates from the truth. You cannot deny that you and your teachers are guilty of that so please do not even try. I suppose in that sense, doctrine is important.

    September 4, 2010 at 7:15 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Joseph, would you care to share with all of Biblically where a full church is a sign of proper teaching? That is “business-model” theology and thinking, not Christian. Curious on my part, how does one go about accepting Christ into their heart.

    September 4, 2010 at 7:29 pm
  • Maria says:

    Matt, I do not want to be rude so I will refrain. 1. The Trinity is real. There are several places in scripture that explain the trinity quite well. Actually it is first discovered in Genesis believe it or not. “Let US make man in OUR image.” God is one being with 3 distinct reflections (personalitys, persons) Father, son, and holy spirit. Jesus even talks about how if you have seen him you have seen the Father for they are one. Jesus was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, because Jesus is God, He is the distinct person of God that became a man to die for us. 2. I think you are not understanding Damon. I know he knows John is a gospel therefore you are taking it out of context somewhere. As you said you didn’t see what went on before and after the portion you saw. Paul even prayes in Ephesians that they would be given the spirit of wosdom and revelation in the knowledge of Jesus. There is a spirit of Revelation. Revelation is when the Holy Spirit opens up the scriptures to you in a way you have never seen before (all of which should reveal more about Jesus to you in some way) in Fact, John wrote the book of Revelation of Jesus. (Part of me wonders is Damon wasn’t talking about The book of Revelation and not the Gospel John) 3. I am confused about wether you believe in healing or not. It is a reality. I myself have been healed and I have witnessed hundreds healed before my very eyes. I have witnessed a man I knew personally walk out of a wheelchair right before my eyes. I have seen legs grow out in front of me, I have seen people I know personally, and have known my whole life healed of CANCER! Healing does exist. Damon was most likely acting in FAITH.

    and finally… I LOVE your zeal for truth and the Word. However, I would be VERY careful of who you call a false prophet. The bible says “Touch not my anointed and do them no harm.” Your words harm the reputation of a preacher and if you are wrong, and Damon is anointed and the words he speak are coming from the Holy Spirit, you are calling the Holy Spirit a liar. and that my friend is blasphemy.

    You totally have the right to disagree with someone, and you should search the scripture THAT IS GOOD. But you need to learn how to disagree respectfully. And posting something on your website that is rude and damaging is not right or Godly. Instead you should learn to pray for people you feel are wrong. (Prayer is more powerful than any website blog) Damon is a good man who seeks the Lord, and IF he is wrong, he needs your prayer not your rebuke. You are not in a place to rebuke him, you do not have authority over him. Damon seeks God and the holy spirit will reveal his errors to him ESPECIALLY if you are praying for him :)

    And as for those who are being effected by his message. They have the holy spirit in them and the spirit will reveal the Truth, not your blog. Just pray for them. Prayer seems powerless because it isn’t us doing anything but that is what we want, God to do it not us. And your claims that Souls are at stake is a bit over stated. The only one who saves a soul is Jesus. Damon preaches Jesus as the way, truth and life and salvation in him only so as long as people who follow his teachings a saved through Christ their souls are not lost. The holy spirit will direct their hearts to Truth and if they are reading the word themselves they will see it.

    So, I LOVE your zeal but slow down, try praying for a few months, study for a few months and see how you feel then. Let Holy Spirit direct you. Ask Jesus “Is the trinity a reality?” “Is Damon teaching truth.” He will tell you. Do not be quick to point out errors in such a public manner, especially when you do not know Damon’s heart and intent. Preachers get so much backlash and very little prayer. I am sure you have spoken inaccuratly, we all have. Have compassion and act in love. Not pride or arrogance.

    September 6, 2010 at 3:54 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Maria, I have considered all those things prior to posting what you have read.

    September 6, 2010 at 4:19 pm
  • Annette says:

    When Jesus declared that they would have to eat His body and drink His blood it shook those who thought they knew God to their core. It disgusted them.
    While turning over the tables in the temple, which was out of order, they could not even fathom what He meant when He spoke of destroying the temple and it being raised in three days. This Truth enraged them.
    He challenged what they thought they knew and understood. And after all, they were right; they knew the Law, but they missed the fulfillment of the Law – Jesus.
    It is a very sorrowful state when man, the created, subjects the Creator to the limitations of what was made. How dare the created man look to his Creator and say He is unable to heal what He made, today, tomorrow, or any day? To say that miracles, or signs, and wonders of the great I AM is limited to one period of time is to say that His love is also limited, and that is ludicrous.
    We can argue all day long about you have stated about the men and women in your blog or in these comments but it would be futile. It would be like Jesus declaring that we would eat His body…any scriptural point anyone has made you are disgusted with and have a argument for. If there is humility in your heart it does not come across at all, and my fellow brother, that is causing others to stumble and that alone should be cause enough for you stop and search your heart and as the Lord for guidance. Look, you can find scripture to defend any cause…but it takes the Holy Spirit to lead us into Truth and when we get to the place where we believe we have been given a badge to police the Body of Christ without having laid down our lives in intercession first we have a much larger issue than any blog and comments made are going to fix.
    I am a sinner, who by the grace of God has been changed by the love of Christ and filled with His Spirit. I was a drunk, a baby killer, thief, and whore…and yet Jesus loved me. If that isn’t Jesus still performing miracles I don’t know what is. But He didn’t stop there…I have witnessed the miraculous wonders of His presence and grace for the last 16 years. There is not room enough to contain the awesomeness of our God. Why don’t we worry about lifting up His Name and drawing men unto Him? Jesus is able to handle everything about His Kingdom without us having to step in and fix it for Him.
    Oh, and I think The Apostle Paul would agree, I am sure.

    September 6, 2010 at 4:43 pm
  • Maria says:

    Yes, I believe you have. I just do not think you considered them long enough. THe burning desire to prove someone wrong and Quote “save souls from false donctrine” was clouding your ability to hear from the Lord on the matter. You know feelings are not to be confused with “spirit led intentions”

    September 6, 2010 at 5:57 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Annette, I am sorry, but the truth is that all of those things that the Jews, Saducees, and Pharisees denied about Christ were things that they would have known had they taken the word of God they had for what it was. Of course hindsight is 20/20, but we can now see how everything in scripture up to Christ’s arrival pointed to Christ. All things had been made ready for Christ and when he came to fulfill all of that prophecy, those who took God at His word, knew it. Just as the Old pointed to Christ, the New Testament (excluding the four gospel accounts which tell of His life here on Earth and the fulfillment of the previously discussed prophecy) points back to Him and directs the attention of the reader back to Jesus. Sadly, that is not enough for some, such as yourself possibly. However, that is what makes you and your like comparable to the Pharisees, the fact that what you have, what has been sent, is not enough for you to believe or for you to have faith that others will believe. Just as Christ was not enough for the Jews, He is not enough for others today and they feel the need to embellish the gospel with fake signs, tongues, and absolute lies about miracles. All of my points in the post are scriptural so by default, you and your fellow believers are the ones arguing against scripture. I am simply defending the word of God, of which all Christians are charged. As long as you defend degenerate and false teachers, please do not refer to me as your “fellow brother.” Also, please do not condemn others about stepping in and fixing the kingdom when at the heart of every message at the Ramp is that there is something wrong with the kingdom that you guys need to fix.

    September 6, 2010 at 6:06 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Where is that last sentence found in the Bible Maria? That doesn’t sound like anything I have ever studied in the Bible. Is that something Engle teaches you guys at IHOP?

    September 6, 2010 at 6:11 pm
  • Walter says:

    yes I like Damon Thompson and the people at the ramp.But I do not agree 100% with all they say.They believe in Dominion theology.I do not totally agree with that.I do not call them my teachers just because i watch them on tv or the internet.My teachers are God, the pastors at the seminary i attend and my pastor,an even you in a sense.Because I have learned a lot from this blog.

    September 7, 2010 at 4:29 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    What do you dislike of the dominion theology and why would you support or defend someone who teachers it Walter? If you believe it is wrong, why do you not say so?

    September 7, 2010 at 7:22 pm
  • Walter says:

    Do you agree with everything your pastor says,or your wife or child says.Im guessing you probably dont.But you would defend them wouldent you. No one agrees totally with everything,we dont live in a perfect world.

    One of the thing i dont agree with is that they believe that we will usher in Christ return.Nothing we do will usher it in.God has already decided when he is coming.God is God and we are not.If it was us that ushered in Christ return then that would make God less than God.

    I support the ramp because I believe they love God and they want to share the Gospel with the world. I support this web site because people can learn a lot by reading the posts.

    No one has it all right. Only God does.

    By the way I am visiting a Church of Christ Church tomarrow.

    September 7, 2010 at 8:01 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Yes, Walter, I do find myself agreeing with most of what my preacher (we do not have “pastors” at my church). When I have heard something that sounded off or that needed explaining, I asked that person for further explanation or Biblical proof. This happens rarely in our church as everything, and I do literally mean everything, is taught out of the Bible. To your point though, if that person was proclaiming things that are not in line with the Bible, I would say something to him and if he did not repent I would go to the elders of our church and ask for their assistance in the case. If they did not make the change and could not show me Biblically how I was wrong, I would promptly find a new church to call home. That is the call for those who support the Ramp. For the life of me, I cannot figure out what sort of trance they have on you guys that prevent you from voicing your disagreement. For instance, you just stated in your comment that you disagree with their teaching of ushering in the kingdom (which is a heretical and montanist teaching) but you don’t stand up and say anything (as far as I can tell). This is one of the primary teachings of that place, it is their calling card, their slogan if you will. The whole Joel’s Army teaching that they propagate is often proclaimed in various forms there. Yet, you still defend and follow those people. I am baffled at this, especially when someone is smart and articulate. as far as your belief that they want to share the gospel with the world, I ask you which gospel is that? I am glad to hear you are visiting a Church of Christ. Which one are you planning on going to?

    September 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm
  • Walter says:

    Maybe people are afraid to speak out.Maybe they dont understand the bible and think that if they speak out they would be doing something wrong.Remembr it takes a lot of courage to speak out like you have. they dont want to be attacked.They see how you get attacked and they dont want that. People forget that being a christian means that you wont always be popular.It would be the leaders in the church job to encourage them to make a stand for what they believe.

    September 8, 2010 at 3:24 pm
  • Walter says:

    im going to fredericksburg Church of Christ

    September 8, 2010 at 4:00 pm
  • Walter says:

    the bible study was great learned a lot.

    September 8, 2010 at 7:42 pm
  • Walter says:

    Mr. Brumley I have a question for you.

    Do you think that members of a church should have to pay dues to stay a member?
    At my church we have to pay dues and it never has made sense to me.It feelslike im a member of a country club or something.

    September 10, 2010 at 3:35 pm
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  • dvdbrumley says:

    Absolutely not Walter.

    September 11, 2010 at 10:55 am
  • mike cipriani says:

    good stuff

    September 12, 2010 at 1:59 pm
  • Perry says:

    Quite frankly, we know that Jesus came, and that the Pharisees rejected Him because he subjugated their authority. For example, (John 2:13-16) When the Pharisees were in the temple selling oxen and sheep and pidgeon Jesus made a whip of three cords because the Pharisees were telling the men and women who came to make their sacrifice and offerings to God that their offering or sacrifice was blemished so they had to buy them from the Pharisees because the common folks were blemished yet the Pharisees were not. So in effect Jesus ran them out because he abhored the wickedness of the Pharisees for deceiving the people and for basically pimping Gods word and His temple out for their own gain. As you can imagine, a Jew, namely Jesus, had just undermined the authority of those in power, so they got angry and constantly throughout scripture plotted on Jesus and how to kill Him because he brought the truth, and because Satan was working through the Pharisees, Satan had to silence all opposition. So then wouldnt the Pharisees be the wolf in sheeps clothing? Having all authority to do practically as they wished because they had the power to do it? And since Jesus, having the truth was bold enough to stand up for righteousness and tell the Pharisees they were wrong. And they didnt like it at all. My point here is, why then, do you claim to be the one who is correct? In all of these posts as I read them you claimed to be the one who was right, and held the truth in heart. As it appeared to me you were being this humble man who was only standing up for the Word of God, who gently opposed this man Damon Thompson. Isnt that how Satan does things? Silently and gently as the Angle of Light, appearing to be good and true before all men? How is it that a man, Damon Thompson, has become the point of your argument? Is it because he is truly doing the work of God, and standing up for righteousness? Because he does what God tells him, and because it appears akward to you you oppose it? As scripture depicts it, you are the one who is in the role of the wolf in the sheeps clothing, trying to take away from the work of God by deceiving whomever is simple enough, (as you put it about Thompson and his youth). Perhaps you are the wolf? You stated above that some of your youths souls were at risk? Did they begin understanding things that Thompson spoke of and shared them with you yet possibly didnt understand well enough themselves to share so it became a distortion of the truth preached by Thompson? Or do you not understand it, yet refute it anyways by bending scripture to your will and your understanding as the Pharisees did? I could say, in good conscience, in the Spirit, that you are as Josephs brothers, and Thompson would be Joseph. Illustrated enough? Jesus’ brothers didnt beleive Him, yet they were at the Cross, and had seen Him after the resurrection. Did that make Jesus false? I beleive you are a tool of an unseen force. Amen.

    September 17, 2010 at 12:07 am
  • ALT93 says:

    dvdbrumley, where are you from?

    September 17, 2010 at 7:22 am
  • Jenny says:

    I find it sad when one christian murders another christian

    September 17, 2010 at 7:55 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Was there a murder Jenny? Is someone dead? If so, you should probably call the authorties. I personally find it sad when anyone is murdered, Christian or not.

    September 17, 2010 at 12:06 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    I am from Alabama. Where are you from Taylor Kastner?

    September 17, 2010 at 12:10 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Perry, are you really comparing Thompson to Jesus and Joseph? I apologize if my writing has caused you as much distress as you proclaim, but perhaps you should read the piece again and see on which argument the word of God falls.

    September 17, 2010 at 12:12 pm
  • Loree says:

    I believe in trinity but have just heard a bit of Damon and saw his cohorts and KNOW he is part of the cult NAR He is dominioinist and does not believe the bible only but thinks there will be a superhuman breed of christians come to bring in some great awakening… rings of new age spiritualism and occult.

    September 17, 2010 at 9:18 pm
  • Rhonda Lewis says:

    Wow what an interesting thread! I’ve been reading for hours now! Months of posts. Who ever you are who started this “investigation” of Damon Thompson hats off to you. I think you’ve been very consistent in your questions and the responses have been very emotional. That tells alot. People who have that kind of power over the youth should be watched closely. There is nothing wrong with examining the words of a “prophet” his OWN words. There should be nothing to fear, but like you, my concern is over ANYONE who begins to move away from the word and into “feelings” and signs and wonders and EMOTION. It seems today everyone has a gimmick to “snag” the crowd. If you do this.. this will happen. Unfortunately church today has become somewhat of a circus. It’s all about the glitz and glamour and how big and bright and exciting the show is. What I hear in the hours of comments, especially Matt, is a blind loyalty to this man Damon. THAT is the frightening part. They “know” him so it doesn’t matter what he says. He is not accountable. They LOVE him.
    Thanks for having the guts to do this AND to answer all those posts. It must have been exhausting! It’s a good thing you have done. It’s worth examining, and those people so passionately defending him shouldn’t have anything to fear. It’s scary to think for yourself when you’re young. It’s easier to have someone telling you what to think. We ALL need to be reminded that anyone who puts himself up to be a teacher of the Word should be examined closely. Just comes with the territory.

    September 21, 2010 at 10:56 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for your encouragement Rhonda.

    September 21, 2010 at 11:02 pm
  • emo7793 says:

    For one the Trinity is the father, son, and the holy spirit and yes they are one but do 3 different things and that is the quote he said I know because he has thought it but see to tell u the truth Christians are not supposed to judge so by judging God says u will be and u have not seen what he has done because u have put God in a box but I’d u where to open ur heart and mind to just take in and study the Bible to understand it says don’t mark your body in mourning but also in revelation 16 15 says that Jesus has one on his thai saying king of kings and lords or lord. Don’t come against a man of God or God will come against u.

    October 2, 2010 at 11:30 pm
  • Marty Griffith says:

    dvdbrumley,

    It has been disappointing to see the lack of discernment in my generation, I’m mid 40s, and the generation that we are raising. We are a people, Christians in general, who decide what is right spiritually based on feelings. Damon Thompson and other speakers get a pass on abhorrent doctrine based on the fact that his message makes some people feel good and closer to God. Never mind that the God people are feeling closer to isn’t the one found in scripture. I call this experiential “Christianity” which is a false “Christianity” based on our personal experiences, instead of being based on scripture.

    I say this as a very lengthy way to say thank you for your article. I was looking for information on Damon Thompson after watching him late last night. (Due to back pain I couldn’t sleep and it was either watch this butcher of scripture or infomercials. Thompson was more entertaining than the Shark steam cleaner.) I am glad to see that someone is courageous enough to stand up for the truth in the midst of a church that is tossed and driven by every wind that blows.

    The writer of the article is not judging Mr. Thompson, but he is fact checking his message as ALL Christians should do. If you don’t care that someone is maligning your Lord as being one of many Gods, then something is wrong with your understanding of who God is! This is making up our own God while claiming to serve and worship the true and living God, who by the way is a JEALOUS God. It matters what this man is teaching, just as it matters what we believe. Christian please don’t trade the truth, reality and power in the Christ of the Bible for some cheap, second rate christ with boundless supposed power, but no power to save.

    Again, thank you for the article.

    October 3, 2010 at 12:35 am
  • Wayne Hogan says:

    Matt 7:1-2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
    I Pray for the author of this article and all the people judging someone other than themselves. They will surly stand before God embarrassed and ashamed. They need to pull the Plank out of their own eye to see clearly. By reading those two scriptures above one can see that this web page should not exist.
    ‘May God have mercy on your soul.’

    October 3, 2010 at 10:17 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Marty, don’t give me any praise or glory. Give all that praise you have to God. I appreciate your kind words and I hope that you will pray that these people’s eyes will be opened by the Lord and that they will begin to seek true Biblical teaching.

    October 3, 2010 at 12:25 pm
  • Marty Griffith says:

    dvdbrumley,

    Just wished to voice my opinion of what you are doing in contending for the faith. Thank God not all have bowed the knee to Baal. God still has a remnant, Bless His holy name!

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    God’s word is so important because in His word He reveals His personhood to us. If we do not judge according to the word, we will be tossed and driven by every fad doctrine and false gospel that comes along. If we do not judge what is true according the scriptures, we are remiss according to Acts 17:11 where the Holy Spirit counts the Bereans as nobler than the Thesselonians because they readily accepted the word and they judged what was being taught by using the light of the scriptures. By the way the person who was preaching to the Bereans was the Apostle Paul and the Holy Spirit had no problem with the Bereans searching, “anakrino” in the Greek, judging, examining, and investigating the scriptures to make sure that Paul was teaching the truth.

    So many preachers today and/or their followers, are offended by their message, doctrines, and teachings being examined in the light of scripture. This alone should send up red flags to us as Christians.

    One of the most misused portions of scripture is Matthew 7:1-5. The way it is quoted would cause us not to have any likes or dislikes, much less spiritual discernment that comes from weighing the content of a sermon against scripture. Taken as this is thrown out, one should not have preferences as to the color of a car, which vegetable to have with their meat, or what type of meat tastes good. “Judge not, that ye be not judged…” In the first place not everyone has a plank in their eye. If a person is judging according to scripture, he or she will have 20/20 vision. It is when we step outside of scripture that we get into trouble and get logs jammed in our eyes that we do not see.

    If we will be honest with ourselves for a moment we will see that we all judge things ALL the time. Those who disagree with this article, are judging the writer to be Pharisaical and judgmental. Is your judgment of the writer based on scripture? Is your defense of Mr. Thompson based on scripture? If you say that your defense of Mr. Thompson is based on scripture, remember it is he that said that God is pantheistic, which is non Biblical and heresy. If the writer’s judgments are not scriptural, then yes, he is being like the pharisees. If however, he is pointing out heretical doctrine and providing scripture for this, then he is being like the Bereans and following John 24 which tells us to judge righteous judgment. He is also following Philippians 1:10, “so that you may be able to discern [judge] what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ”.

    God does speak today to his people through His word, the Holy Scriptures. Even if you believe that God speaks audibly to Mr. Thompson and others, still these “new” words from God cannot contradict scripture. Otherwise God has changed His mind, misspoke, or lied to us before. Either God is one God, or there are multiple gods. Either God is right in scripture or Mr. Thompson is right.
    Romans 3:4 “let God be true, but every man a liar”.

    Marty

    October 4, 2010 at 1:15 pm
  • tyler says:

    I dedicated my life to the Lord at Celebration church after hearing one of Damon’s messages. I was never the same after that! Heck yea!

    October 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm
  • Jenifer says:

    My family has come to know God in such a more intimate way through the teachings of Damon Thompson. His passion in life is to see people get saved – every time he is speaks at our church – this happens in the hundreds! The incredible fruit in his life and ministry are evidence of his faithfulness. We pray for him and his family and know that he is protected by God. Oh, and the Word does say, “All weapons formed against me will not prosper”…you are being a weapon…

    October 6, 2010 at 6:27 pm
  • Wayne Hogan says:

    Luke 6:43-44 For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44For every tree is known by its own fruit.
    So after reading that, here is the question. What kind of fruit does ‘your’ ministry see. Does ‘your’ ministry see many souls saved? Does ‘your’ ministry see people healed? Does ‘your’ ministry see people delivered? Does ‘your’ ministry cause people to turn from their wicked ways and turn to Jesus? IF it did I would have heard of it and you would not have to hide behind a screen name. I have been around and worked for some of the biggest ministers of the last 25 years. And You would proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ with signs following. Where are your signs? And then John 15:2 would ring true for you, which says, Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Again, where is your ‘fruit’? Who are you? Where are ‘your’ signs. Read the whole chapter of John 15. It would be helpful for you finding where you are in Christ. Then Mark 16:20 would be true for ‘your’ ministry. It says, And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. If one is serving God as one should, that is walking in Love, ie..1 Corin 13:1-13, Read that too, it will help your walk with God. Then this website would not exist. I could do this with the whole word of God But the bottom line is Matt. 7:1-2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. One can only imagine what it will be like to face God and have nothing to say to Him except, “Yea, I tore that preacher a new one didn’t I.” Having nothing to say about preaching the gospel to the poor, broken hearted, the widowed and the homeless. That is our jobs as Christians. A job I take seriously and do. Be a doer of the word and not a hearer only. You should take up reading the BIBLE it will help you in your decision making process. And by reading the word… Faith will come. Faith commeth by hearing and hearing the word of God.
    DON’T DELETE THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE IT. Read the Bible…The Truth shall set you Free!!!

    October 6, 2010 at 7:19 pm
  • Castaway says:

    Brothers and sisters, legalism is fueled by argument. We are wasting our time communicating with such legalistic views. Its all about souls. The fruit Damon produces says it all. Might I say that our friend need to learn what the meaning of true love is. (Love your brother more than yourself). I know that this is truly the Lord’s heart as well as Damon’s. Jesus spent ore time with sinners than he did in church. This is my final post. God bless you all.

    October 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jennifer, the verse is “all weapons formed against you will not prosper.” Who is the “you” in your understanding? Here’s a hint: it’s what your beloved teacher rails and teaches against consistently.

    October 6, 2010 at 8:28 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Castaway, isn’t it ironic that in order to condemn my writing as being legalistic that you quote law.

    October 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    You are right Wayne. Since you have never heard of me and I do not have a web page promoting myself for “bookings,” any ministry I may be involved in does not matter. According to your logic, all the ministries across the world that you have never heard of are reaping nothing. All the ministries and true ministers of Christ who have no interest of promoting themselves and having people praise their name, do not matter – all because you have not heard of them. The only fruit that matters is the fruit that you know about? That is what you are saying right? Before you argue, let me remind you, that is what you said. I ask you Wayne, please list for us some of the “biggest ministers” (is that according to weight or man’s approval by the way) that you have worked for. Even better, please put us in contact with or provide any verification of the “signs” that you place such stake in. Please Wayne, please, enlighten us all.

    October 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm
  • Wayne Hogan says:

    First of all, If you are not ashamed of ‘your’ website who’s sole purpose is to tear someone down,which is 100% Against the Bible. Why oh Why did you delete my other post? OH you do have a website. Instead of promoting God, you use it for tearing people down. What are you ashamed of or embarrassed by?
    Second, You never answered the Question, You handed out a political type answer. Without being political in your answer, what fruit does the ministry you are associated with produce? I can guess by the answer you already gave, since you did not answer the question. The answer is little or NOTHING, or you would have given examples. I have no need to defend myself, since all the ministries I have been around, worked for and including mine, have signs. Signs, wonders and miracles, just like the bible says to do, produce fruit. Luke 6:43-44 By the sound of your political jiber-jaber,, I have to assume that you are either ashamed or uneducated. Your answers sound just like the the answers of uneducated inmates that I watched for ten (10) years. Either way, READ the Bible. It will give you answers. You still need to understand Matt 7:1-2. I can tell you have not read it or if you did, you did not understand it. The darkness can not comprehend the light.(John 1:5 ) As humans, we are superposed to judge ONLY ourselves, not others. I will pray for you that you find God’s light before you leave this earth.
    The first time I heard Damon, I too, looked at his tattoo, saw his crazy hair, heard his southern draw and thought, “Oh my lord, He needs help.” But instead of judging him, I listened. More and more over the years I have come to realize that this guy knows a thing or two about the word. So, I let the signs speak for themselves. We are not friends nor has He ever spoken to me But the three plus years I have listened to Damon there have been many biblical signs that have come out of his ministry. I will name just one. I saw him pray for a young man with a cancerous growth on his body, (proven by a medical Doctor). While Damon was praying, the growth melted and fell onto the floor. I am not even mentioning all the souls saved or people delivered from a life of sin. Have you ever rebuked the devil, in any form, including but not limited to cancer? Are you afraid of the devil? Why do you beat around the bush and not answer the question? IF you have an answer, let’s hear it! Remember the following scriptures as you answer.
    [Romans 13:9, Luke 18:20, Mark 10:19, Matt19:18 and when your done with that read the 10 Commandments, Exodus 20:1-17 (emphasis on verse 16)] According to the Word, it is NOT our job to judge or bear false witness. No matter what you think of Damon, leave the judging to God.
    That is God’s job, Not ours. Again Matt. 7:1-2.

    October 8, 2010 at 9:43 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Wayne, it is obvious that my answer to your previous post has made you angry. I am truly sorry for that. I answered your questions the best that I could. I suppose that I am not smart enough and/or too uneducated to answer you in a sufficient manner (according to your own words). You seem way too concerned with this fruit that you speak of though. Let me remind you though that Paul found hope not in the witnessed fruit produced but in the fact that he was chosen to have the opportunity to just plant the seed that is the truth of the gospel (1 Cor. 3:6). While you give credit to Thompson and yourself about the “fruit(s)” produced, I prefer to follow a true man of God, Paul, and give glory to God for any fruit produced. That is the fruit of my ministry sir, that whoever walks away from hearing me discuss the gospel of Jesus Christ, will walk away having heard nothing but the truth revealed in scripture. In that, as Paul, I take pride. Paul took no pride in signs and wonders, read the letters to the Corinthians. You and I do not agree and for that I am sorry. I however know that in reading and corresponding with me, you have heard the truth.

    I however, do not feel the same from you. You see, that’s the difference. Everything that I have written and said in the posting can be verified by one of two ways: listening to the referenced podcast and/or picking up your Bible and verifying what I have written. As far as I can tell, N.T. scripture not only asks us to do that, but warns us of the danger of not doing so. In order to believe the things you have written though Wayne, I need more than that don’t I. Sorry, but your word, just as mine or any other wretched human’s, is not good enough. Therefore, when you write of signs and wonders and powerful ministries that you have been involved in I must ask you for proof. I cannot verify what you say by scripture. I need to meet and see the young man who you claim had his cancer “melt” off of him at the beckon of Thompson’s prayer. Unless you can provide that proof, provide me with the ability to speak with that boy, I must approach your word with the utmost skepticisim. The same goes for the majority of Thompson’s teaching. Much of what he says is nowhere to be found in scripture – therefore, I can’t just take his word for it. No offense, but I treat my closest of family and friends the exact same way. I treat myself the same way as well.

    We may be at an impasse Wayne. Therefore, unless you decide to provide us with the things I have asked for (a list of the great ministries you have been involved with over the past 25 years and contact information to verify what you claimed to have seen happen to the boy’s cancer, I’ll even settle for video documentation of that one) there is no need for you to comment further. In order to save you time and to keep you from becoming more angry, don’t type a long reply because it will not be approved w/out what I have requested. You can always e-mail me at discuss@thispilgrimland.com

    October 8, 2010 at 10:54 am
  • Walter says:

    Wayne,I believe that people probably were asking the samethings about Jesus when He began His ministry that you are asking of Mr. Brumley.Jesus was not out to make a name for Himself.The truth never returns void.Just because a ministry is small or just because they dont have a website dosent mean a thing.Some of the smallest ministries are doing more for God then the biggest ones.Lets remember that God heals the person and God saves the person..God does the signs and wonders that you speak about.
    Read Acts 7 and tell me if Stephen was in the wrong for calling the sanhedrin stiff necked people for resisting the Holy Spirit, and not hearing the truth about Jesus.Would you say that He was judging the sanhedrin?In my opinion Mr. Brumley is not judging Damon Thompsons heart,He is talking about the message that is being told to people at the ramp.Damon Thompson Is preaching dominion theology which is not Biblical.So many people ,including myself are or have been confused about what judging means.There is a difference between judging and discerning.

    October 8, 2010 at 7:00 pm
  • brad says:

    Fruit… Fruit…. Fruit…..

    People being saved / healed / delivered are not the fruit of man, but the fruit of the workings of Father/Son/Spirit. An outright fake, fraud, and huckster (marjoe gortner) can preach the gospel and see salvations. That “fruit” does not get accredited to him. See Acts 12:22-23 for an example of man taking the glory from God.

    October 13, 2010 at 7:51 am
  • Bro Miller says:

    Brethren greetings in the name above every name Jesus Christ.

    I so appreciate when someone exposes error especially when it flies under the radar and infects the Church.Dvdbrumley,thank you for this website.I came across the Ramp one late night after not being able to sleep.I wanted to scream and then puke.I know nothing of Damon but what God`s Word tells me about him.

    1st John 2:15 KJV

    Love not the world,neither the things that are in the world.If any man love the world,the love of the Father is not in him.

    Can Damon claim this verse since he loves the things of the world by his long hair and worldy dress?

    1st Cor 11:14 KJV

    Doth not even nature itself teach you,that,if a man have long hair,it is a shame unto him?

    Also Christianity has one God not many {i.e.monotheistic}as Damon believes.

    2nd John 1:9a KJV

    Whosoever transgresseth,and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God.

    Is Damon unspotted from the world?

    James 1:27 a & c KJV

    Pure Religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this………..and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

    It really amazes me of how ignorant the lost sheep are of what the bible says especially of the qualifications of a pastor 1st,2nd Timothy and Titus.

    The music is not Christian and the scene is not Christian and the doctrines are not Christian and the people there are putting experience over what the bible teaches and that is Apostate.The Ramp to Hell is what it is.

    Thanks again DVDBrumley.

    October 16, 2010 at 10:47 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Miller, I will say that today, Thompson no longer sports long hair. Thanks for your comments.

    October 16, 2010 at 10:50 pm
  • disturbed spirit says:

    Mr. Brumley:

    I recently attended an event at the Ramp and witnessed Damon Thompson and Karen Wheaton first hand. I became physically ill directly following this experience! To state that I have been forever scarred is an understatement!! I fear that although the message of the Ramp is a good one (meaning we should be on fire for God!!) the inaccuracies of his preaching is astounding. I have the same concerns that you do….the youth that is receiving his message will not research his statements of fact and determine what God’s word actually says. I prayed for a wall of protection against false teachings after attending a Friday night there. When I returned on Saturday morning, God granted me wonderful discernment and exposed several things that Mr. Thompson stated that are way off base. I wonder if he truly believes what he stated or if he was just in the moment. If it is the latter, then those who take him at his word need be properly directed and he should correct his comments.

    I found your blog after I attended a weekend conference at the Ramp. I was amazed at how God spoke to me and showed me almost all of the same things that you raised questions about. Again, I did NOT read your statements prior to the completion of the seminar. Then I proceeded to read the reactions of the Ramp and Damon’s followers and supporters. I am dumb founded at the anger and defensiveness of their comments. That locked it in for me that this is NOT of the Holy Spirit!! Ephesians clearly states (Gods Word – the TRUTH) that which is of the Spirit will UNITE believers and NOT drive them apart. Your comments did not attack Mr. Thompson, Karen Wheaton or the Ramp. I felt that you are raising valid concerns and if the teachings of the Ramp or Mr. Thompson were of the Holy Spirit (as he states) then his followers and staff would react with love to your concerns, not anger and hatred.

    I must state that I am not surprised. It is taught in that place (I cannot in good concience call it a church) that they need to be prepared to face persecution and being made fun of for what and how they believe. They are teaching that the youth need to return to their schools and cities on fire for God and prepared to face all of the negative reactions they may encounter. This is all wonderful and very true; however, Mr. Thompson also stated that he questions the salvation of people who do not tithe and people who worship and sing with their hands in their pockets. He is teaching judgement of other Christians; stating that they probably are not really saved. He also claims to be sin free and a prophet. He may be a prophet, I am not the right person to state that he isnt. I can say with complete certainty that he is NOT sin free and it is impossible to live that way. Jesus is the only flesh that ever walked this Earth and lived a sin free life! Also, the Bible states clear as day that we are NOT to mark up our bodies!!! Tattoos are a SIN in the father’s eyes. I must add, I have tattoo’s….they are all statements of my walk with the Lord, but I do not claim to be sin free or a prophet. The reason I bring this particular statement up is because we should all be cautious of those who pick and choose what parts of the bible they decide to follow while claiming to be sin free or a prophet.

    I have never in my life had my Spirit so upset! I am so very concerned that the Ramp and Mr. Thompson are a cult in the making. This resembles Joseph Smith, Guy Ballard and David Karesh all over again. What truly scares me is that they have a School of Ministry as well.

    I know that God will deal with the inaccuracies that are being taught. My fears that I have stated may very well be off and of no true cause for concern. God is the only one who can make that determination, it is not for me to decide or judge. One thing that I do know without a doubt is that the teachings of the Ramp are NOT of the Holy Spirit. As I stated earlier, it is obvious based on the reactions you received from their followers. God bless you for being willing to expose the inaccuracies. If they were of the Holy Spirit, they would welcome your concerns and address them with love. If they really want to bring others to Jesus and the Cross, you have to act like Jesus. The statements I read from the Ramp and Damon Thompson followers do not sound like ANYTHING we ever would have heard come out of the mouth of Jesus himself in response to the concerns and questions you addressed. To me, that speaks volumes!!

    I will be praying for the deliverance and discernment of the Ramp supporters. I do believe the general message is on target, we should be on Fire for God. I pray that God grant them the ability to recognize false teachings, inaccurate statements and will have the discernment to revert to Gods Word and know the Truth about what Jesus actually taught. Not just take the Ramp and their staff at their word.

    Last statement I have is to the people who attacked you. The Bible (and Christ) tells us to be in the Word every day and have a personally relationship with him. Doing so will enable us to recognize false teachings, false prophets, false statements, etc. The Word tells us to be cautious and aware of what the truth is and to hold those who claim to be prophets to a standard of TRUTH!! I believe that is exactly what you are doing as am I. God Bless you sir for your concerns. I know I would not want to get to heaven and have to explan why I did nothing to correct the misstatements of someone who claims to be a prophet for God and in turn, hundreds of people may have been led astray because of those statements.

    Thanks for your time and your actions!

    October 19, 2010 at 11:35 am
  • Brandon says:

    Why are we attacking eachother this so called true story was a smeer campain and holds zero truth. Men like the one who wrote it are a tool of the devil dividing the body and slaming good men and lifting up false teachers. I have several Tattos guess Yahweh saved me for nothing lol you and you religion are a joke!!!

    October 25, 2010 at 7:01 pm
  • Brandon says:

    Mr. Bill I would submit that Satan lead you here to dicourage you! You people have to wake up this is 2010 not 1956 we have benn through more than you and done more than you you cant reach us with your boring dead religions. Only truth and fire you are sad sad men

    October 25, 2010 at 7:04 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    “so called true story?”

    October 25, 2010 at 8:00 pm
  • Brian says:

    Hahaha, you christians are hilarious… from a Jewish perspective i have this question for any of you guys… since all of you “know” your “word” so well… in Acts 7:15-16 Stephen supposedly filled with “the holy spirit” states

    “And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.”

    Yet Genesis 49:29-32 states

    Then he (Jacob) commanded them and said to them, “I am to be gathered to my people; bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite, in the cave that is in the field at Machpelah, to the east of Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field from Ephron the Hittite to possess as a burying place. There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife. There they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife, and there I buried Leah– he field and the cave that is in it were bought from the Hittites.” Genesis 49:29-32

    and again Gen. 50:12-13

    “Thus his sons did for him as he had commanded them, for his sons carried him to the land of Canaan and buried him in the cave of the field at Machpelah, to the east of Mamre, which Abraham bought with the field from Ephron the Hittite to possess as a burying place.”

    you can also check Genesis 23:19-20

    Jacob was the one that actually bought the property from the “sons of Hamor” (Genesis 3:19) and Joseph was buried at Shechem…

    “As for the bones of Joseph, which the people of Israel brought up from Egypt, they buried them at Shechem, in the piece of land that Jacob bought from the sons of Hamor the father of Shechem for a hundred pieces of money. It became an inheritance of the descendants of Joseph.” (Joshua 24:32)

    I guess the “holy spirit” got that one wrong, or maybe stephen was blaspheming and deserved to be stoned… please respond to this…

    November 12, 2010 at 6:40 pm
  • Disturbed Spirit says:

    Leviticus states that we are not to cut our bodies for the dead or mark ourselves with tattoos. Galations states that by faith in Jesus we are saved and therefore no longer condemed by the law. However, Damon Thompson claims to be a prophet and says he is sin free. God warns us to be aware of false prophets and false teachers. As a prophet, you cannot claim to be sin free unless you abide by the law 100%. Just because we are saved by grace, this does not give us permission to violate the law and therefore commit sin. Mr. Thompson cannot truly be a prophet if he is going to pick and chose what parts of the bible he is going to obey and then hide behind being saved by Christ. That is exactly what he preaches against…..hypocrites! He is one! We are all hypocrites! We are sinners saved by grace. We are not sin free.

    I pray that Damon Thompson be convicted by Christ to repent his false teachings. His intentions are all well….wake up a generation and get on fire for God. I’m all for it!! But if you are doing these things and not speaking the truth as God’s word states it, then you are leading this generation to Satan instead by misleading them. This is dangerous!! I pray these kids go back to God’s word and verify Damon’s teachings. That is what Mr. Brumley is stating. We definately need to wake up the generation and turn this world around, but we must do these things in TRUTH and LOVE!! I have to say this……calling homosexuals “Quier’s” is NOT they way to do that. Jesus would NEVER have spoken to a homosexual person like that. NEVER!! He would have turned them away from their sin in love….shown them the life he has for them and begged them to repent and turn away from sin. He never would have been so mean and nasty and hateful.

    I pray for all those at the Ramp to recognize what is truth and what isn’t. Then go…..get on FIRE FOR GOD and WAKE UP!!! But follow Jesus…..not Damon Thompson!

    November 13, 2010 at 10:59 am
  • grace says:

    To Mr. Brumley:

    I believe you posted your comments to Mr. Damon Thomson for you are just concerned to the souls that are at risk. I believe that you will also do the same not only for Mr. Damon Thompson but also to other teachers, pastors, preachers, prophets whom you think are teaching falsely and leading believers and unbelievers astray. But I want to comment with your statement on the tattooed body though you mentioned that it’s not the main issue here, but it marked on my mind that you might be judgmental on the appearance of others. I believe that we should not judge based on the appearance as God sees us in the purity of our hearts.

    Though I do appreciate your courage to post this site for it will be an awakening to a lot of people not only for the followers of Damon Ministry but to other believers as well that we should take heed for there will be many false teachers, preachers, pastors, prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (Mat 24:11).

    To Damon Thompson Ministry Followers:

    We would know by ourselves if our teachers are teaching correctly by checking itself through the Word, through prayers, the Holy Spirit will lead us to the truth. This site should not upset you but instead it should be a challenge if you are taught by the Word of God correctly or if you are taught to be the followers of Jesus Christ not be a follower by our pastors.

    Just the same, we should not look in the outward of one person, how much they are good to us, we should always give a benefit of the doubt as 1 John 4:1 is telling us “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

    I am not here to argue with anyone but I just want to share what I believe is right. I am not against the Damon Thompson Ministry but I am against to false teaching. I am not saying that he is one of the false teacher as I have watched his teaching twice or trice only in DayStar but what I am saying here is as believers we need to take heed of who we are following, take heed of what he/she is teaching is it from God or from the enemy and we will know it through the fruit of his/her teaching.

    I pray that God may open our hearts, our mind to give us understanding, wisdom, revelation of His Words and He may direct us to the right ministry that we may not led astray. I pray that God may give us strong discernment what are false teaching and what are His true Word that we may able to follow Christ. May God protect us from our enemy. In Jesus Name, Amen.

    December 5, 2010 at 10:43 am
  • caucazhin says:

    Yeah he reminds me of a cross between all those false teachers on TBN inbred with Mark Driscoll..
    ” ye shall know them by their fruits” not their suits…..

    December 15, 2010 at 8:54 pm
  • Lauren Papaspiros says:

    So are you saying that you dont believe in ppl being healed by your comment

    “I’ve never seen you, ****or anyone for that matter******, heal the lame, blind, deaf, or wheelchair bound.”

    Because not only have I seen a woman of 23 years in a wheelchair healed & walk again at the Bay of the Holy spirit revival in Mobile AL. But I’ve been healed my self during a prayer group at my church… I torn 2 ligaments in my leg and not only have the x ray to prove it but Im also an RN so I know that you cant not tear your ligaments in you leg, see the xray, have the doctor tell you you cant walk on that legs for 3-6mths & then 3 days later walk (& jump might I add) after our prayer group….Maybe the reason you haven’t seen things like this is because your to busy putting down a man that I have seen help so many kids (& adults too) Choose God instead of the world…Damon is a good man & there is a winter Ramp Dec 27-30 you should come too, I would love to pray for you…maybe you’ll even get healed…B/c You need Love in your Heart nothing On this page says Love for one of Gods kids. Be Bless!

    December 15, 2010 at 11:47 pm
  • Jason says:

    Thank you for exposing this wolf! All the folks at the Ramp are involved in dangerous heresies, and these folks saying you are being divisive of the Body of Christ, have no clue. These folks dont belong to the Body, they are proving it with their teachings and the fruit of their lives. This is all about the glory of them, and not the glory of Christ. I would highly recommend all who are claiming to be Christians to go listen to this sermon and see if you have been genuinely converted http://trueandfalseconversion.com

    December 16, 2010 at 1:48 pm
  • Jon says:

    Here’s the thing. God is in heaven grieved that His people are ripping one another and not teaching and preaching the gospel and living it. Its not our job to tell, but to do. James says faith without works is dead…. I don’t get your argument because If the man preaches Christ, isn’t that what we are all doing? Lol argumentative spirits make you look like such a scholar sir. Preach Christ. Win souls. Leave ministers out of your mouth. K? Bye! Lol oh your Church of Christ I forgot your the only ones going to heaven lmbo!!!!

    January 2, 2011 at 12:33 am
  • jacob says:

    you are so wrong man the ramp is awsome and so is damon’s teachings so im going to pray for you

    January 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jon, the man does not teach Christ alone. He has supplemented it. That is the discussion and I am sorry that you have missed that point. I do find it odd that you would begin your comment by saying that God is grieved when “His people” are ripping one another and that you would then turn around and rip not only myself, but the entire Church of Christ body.

    January 3, 2011 at 11:17 am
  • Crystal says:

    Dear brother,

    I was reading your post tonight because someone asked me if I had ever heard of the Ramp before. I said, “no” and she encouraged me to check it out as some of her Christian friends go there from time to time. I said ok, and proceeded to watch some of the videos posted on the Ramp’s website.

    I just want to write to you to encourage you to continue to stand up for the FAITH. I did not get very far in my viewing before I turned it off. I am sorry to those of you who are taken in by this, but this -what’s going on there- is not of God. How can I say that? I don’t know so and so personally, etc. etc. It’s called the Holy Spirit gift of discernment which comes through the Word of God and the Truth (inseparable by the way). What is believed by these poor souls is exactly what is believe by so many today. I see a shell of something that has been raised in the image of a god, but not God, that is full of apostasy. It’s a work based religious experience fueled by the heathenistic music and driven by it’s charismatic leaders. God only anoints His Word with the Holy Spirit. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, peace, patience, kindness….not aggressive, shouting, vain repetitious shouting ‘prayers’, beating the drums, screaming, gyrating, etc. This is the church of Laodicea.

    I will be praying for you and God bless. Don’t be discouraged when people don’t/won’t listen…keep preaching the TRUTH!!!

    Looking unto Jesus Who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. :) May the Holy Spirit give you strength and boldness to preach His Word.

    In Christ Jesus,

    Crystal W.

    January 4, 2011 at 10:23 pm
  • amy says:

    i have always had a hard time understanding why we as
    humans think that we can judge other humans, only the LORD is to
    judge! not us, no matter what our opions are. we have one book to
    live by- The HOLY BIBLE- interpreting it is different depending on
    our tone, volume and reference. Instead of spending time
    critisizing others we need to spend our time bettering ourselves to
    be more Christlike!!!! and less judgemental…..

    January 5, 2011 at 5:50 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Amy, this post is not about judging Thompson. It is about
    judging his words and teaching he has given us to judge his
    teaching by.

    January 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm
  • Lauren says:

    Damon’s words are profetic, you can tell a genuine person from a fake one anyday, thats what differs olsteen from damon… because you can see that he IS the real thing. Damon’s messages about Jesus, have truely convicted me to the point where i have laid down my life for Jesus. I dont understand how you can see him to be at fault when his messages bring glory to God as well as save thousands of people on a regular basis… If you really are who you claim to be a Godly man, then why would you accuse someone who has changed so many lives over to God, who has saved lives through Jesus to so many lost people condemmed to hell… I just dont understand how someone who claims to love God, can argue with something like that..

    January 9, 2011 at 12:18 am
  • Ben Krothe says:

    I have experienced and know of countless examples of God healing today. I, like you, used to question healing actually taking place today. So I prayed and asked God to show me the truth because the Bible says, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. ” James 1:5. So, a number of years ago as I was working as an actor at a Christian Theater, a fellow actor mentioned she had a headache during a performance and couldn’t concentrate. I asked if I could pray for her and she said “sure!” Several minutes later she came up to me astonished and told me that her headache was completely gone!
    I thought I would give you a simple example of how Jesus heals today because many people during Jesus time experienced even greater miracles and still did not believe. I’m not trying to be insulting but encourage you to seek the Lord on this yourself. I could give you even greater examples but if you won’t believe this example there is no use giving you any others.
    I also prayed just a few years ago about why have there been so many miracles occurring overseas and not in this country. You know what God showed me in His Word? Matthew 18:2-4, “And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” We, as Americans, have been taught to question everything and often have a hard time believing. Folks in other parts of the world, who don’t have the blessing of medicine we have here in this country, believe (like children) they can be healed and they are!
    Ask the Lord yourself and be still and listen to hear His voice and I’m sure He will show you as well.
    Please, remember that God’s Word commands us to “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.’ Colossians 3:16. I’m sure you mean well, but please be careful of what you say about others. Do you want someone to create a blog about you?
    May the Lord Richly Bless you and give you discernment concerning these matters. Ask HIm and He will show you, “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5,6.

    January 9, 2011 at 3:41 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Lauren, I am exactly who I claim to be, a sinner in need of a Savior. Please tell us Lauren what makes Damon’s words prophetic. I need your evidence and reasoning for saying what you have said so I can weigh your argument.

    January 9, 2011 at 4:00 pm
  • Walter says:

    I have a question. Amy is calling the ramps music and instuments as well as thier dancing “heathenistic” or in another words worldly. If we consider those things worldly why dont we consider a computer or cell phones or anything like that worldly? Just about every church has a website and that is worldly. Why does it seem that people pick and choose what is worldly and what is not?It seems when we dont agree with someones teaching we want to point out there sins.

    January 10, 2011 at 6:19 pm
  • James says:

    Sir, I must say, as a prophetic person myself who has no connection to Damon Thompson whatsoever, that God will not listen to someone falsely accuse one of his own. I can see this religious spirit flowing on this website and its sad. The bible is much too vast and complex of a book for a few people to act this way. If anyone questions what is going on at the Ramp, just jump in your car, and drive on down there. I promise you that if your a Christian you will enjoy every bit of it. If your just very religious you will hate it. This is the truth. Take it or leave it.

    January 16, 2011 at 12:47 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    James, thank you for your comment. May I please ask you upon what grounds you qualify yourself as a “prophetic person?” I am not asking that to be argumentative, I simply want to see the Biblical qualifications necessary for one to call themselves or identify any other as such. Please follow-up on this.

    January 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm
  • WPH says:

    If James has truly been regenerated by the power of the Holy Spirit through the preaching of Gods word(the gospel)…then he is qualified as prophetic as is you and anyone else who has been saved by Gods grace through His word (i.e. our recreated spirits have proceeded from Gods prophetic Word making us prophetic) although thats probably not what James meant that is the situation here spiritually for all of us….i noticed that you have youth that youve been intrusted to and if so id say that your pastoral guidance has has top priority in the eyes of God even if this blog is bearing fruit…brother you should know that if you preach the cross and have a high vew of the cross(a real death and a real resurection)before your youth as well as people that you reach throughout the day you can rest assure that Gods will and the power of His spirit is working through your life…even if Damon is a false prophet and even if your supposed to be shedding light on the situation, what ive just stated is top priority in our lives and that being said its hard to see how that is going on with you…even if everything youve said in this blog is correct it has to be the means to an end..and that end is the the truths about Christ, the death that He died and the life that He lives…this blog is around a year old and it has not progressed ANY in that direction…it just keeps circling…out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and i dont see an abundance of the truths of the Gospel…ive seen a lot of Bible truths and scripture but if this blog carried the heart of the gospel then it would inevitably progress towards Christ simply because God stands by His word to perform it….this blog is stagnant and Gods word says that you cant draw pure water out of a bitter well…So i have to say lovingly brother that your well seems to be bitter…and i say that because i believe one of the few pure motives for posting this blog is for the kids and if they re under your stewardship youre main responsibilty is to make sure that they hear a gospel message that is not only biblically correct but also flows from a heart thats not tainted by bitterness or offense…if you continue to carry along in the manner thats exemplified in this blog your gonna render yourself helpless to do what God has positioned you to do in spirit AND truth…Im not posting this to take any side in this debate but just to say please consider what ive said in the light of Gods word and just end this thing….the simple truths of the cross and the resurrection would debunk much of the conversation on here from both sides…so steep yourself in that and truly bring this situation before the person of God and Im confident youll find a much different approach to this situation and youll know exactly how to handle it…Blessings brother…Have a good week

    January 19, 2011 at 1:19 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    WPH, while I appreciate you attempting to answer what James won’t (or can’t?), I fail to see any scripture to back up your definition of prophetic. We call that philosophy and although interesting, if not found in the Word, it is vanity. Re: your comments about the website and the content, I would have to ask if you have read the website. This is only one post of many on this site and I believe with all my heart that should you take the time to read the postings, you may find that what you are suggesting is not here, fully is. I would have to wonder if you even read the posting you commented on in its entirety as the very heart of what is being said here is that there is ZERO gospel being taught by Thompson and only philosophy. Thanks for your comments and I hope that upon closer evaluation, you will find that the very point of this website is to lift Christ to His full and honorable place, the Head of all things. Also, I pastor no one, I am a servant.

    January 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm
  • Mike says:

    Church of Christ beliefs:

    I have a diploma from the Church of Christ Bible School and this is in addition to what they believe as the above post seems to have forgotten to add.

    - Believe you MUST be water baptized in order to be saved and that salvation happens while in the water (Baptismal regeneration which includes the work of man in the plan of salvation and excludes the Holy Spirit)
    - do not believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit especially by the laying on of hands (Paul did this all the time in the New Testament)
    - Believe the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is neither needed by nor promised to believers in general. (Jesus stated we need to be born again of the Holy Spirit)
    - Believe the Holy Spirit currently acts only through the influence of inspired scripture and received only after water baptism and not before. (In the book of Acts it happens before and after water baptism)
    - believe you CAN lose your salvation (which basically says your salvation is based on works)
    - do not believe in a rapture
    - do not believe in the millennium reign of Christ (basically denying all Old Testament prophecies concerning Israel and Christ earthly kingdom)
    - believe that prophecies in the book of Revelation are not future, but past tense

    They always reject fellowship and ministry cooperation with other local churches, and they teach that they are the ONLY ones who can be and are saved. They reject the idea that they are a “Denomination”. They outwardly preach universal unity among churches – but only if all other churches conform to “ALL” of their teachings and practices including revision of their church name. This is because they believe Christians who are not members of their church are not saved. ‘

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_distinguishes_the_church_of_Christ's_beliefs#ixzz1BXlvpAAu

    January 19, 2011 at 9:46 pm
  • thomas says:

    really??? jealous much?… check yourself before you decide to spit out that level of negativity. understand your motives before you take action. Damen is a man of GOD. What have you done for God lately? WATCH FOR BEARS BROTHER!…you don’t know the bible periable? obviously not if you said the things you said you must not know the bible that much if you think Damen doesn’t know it. if you make fun of or put down Gods annointed ones, the lord will have his way with you!

    January 20, 2011 at 9:50 am
  • James T. says:

    Lord have mercy on all of us. We need your LOVE to truly invade our hearts. I am a member of Church of Christ and boy do we have deep dark secrets of sexual immorality and more. But we are so quick to point out flaws in others, without ever exposing the truth about what we really believe and do. Brother please tell the truth about us. We are basically a cult and we enjoy hiding our sin, while exposing others. I know you and you know that I do. Use this opportunity to get free yourself. You hang out at the Ramp to lust. Yet God loves you and will forgive you.
    We hate black people and anyone who is not like us. How can we continue to judge others? When does this stop?

    January 20, 2011 at 10:09 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    James T., I am afraid you are very misinformed or delusional one. My question to you would be that if you have such a problem with your current church, why are you still there or what are you doing to change the problems you have “exposed.” We hate black people????? Really? Perhaps you hate black people and I can guarantee you that I am part of no “we” that you allude to.

    January 20, 2011 at 11:09 am
  • jared says:

    Hey man. I’m sorry you disagree with some of the things that Damon says. You may not know him but i have had a decent amount of close interaction with him and i can tell you he is the real thing. You may not agree or you may not understand and thats cool his style and his methods are not for everyone but if the word is what you are caring about truly than look at it like this… you may not like him but because of his words and his choice to minister to people, youth and adults alike are getting saved. thats what it really should be about. i’m sorry that you have such a distaste for him and the ramp in general but God is using them to touch a generation of people that the old style of church and religious tradition does not generally attract and for the most part seems to forget about. The revelation i get from the word will be different than yours by nature because we are two separate people but that doesn’t mean that myself, or Damon Thompson is wrong in what he says. The Bible is a living thing and when you let the Holy Spirit speak to you then you see things in scripture that you didn’t see before. even if none of this resonate with you thats ok i just felt that like you opinions should be shared respectfully. but if that turns into backbiting and spreading devision in the body of Christ than i or you or whoever would be in the wrong.

    and i’m sorry that you may not believe in healing of physical bodies just because you haven’t seen it happen. thats the beauty of faith. but i will tell you that they are possible… scripturally.
    Jesus did all those things and by his word:
    John 14:12-
    Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father

    God bless

    January 23, 2011 at 2:49 pm
  • Jose Libertad says:

    I was at the ramp once and also know many people who go there. When I was their many gave testimony what the ramp done for them. There was much worship, dancing and shouting . I did not really feel God that much. I thought it was me at first. Eddie James began to lead worship and Gods glory fell. I asked the Lord why did his glory fall when Eddie James got up and sang and not much with the other part of the service. The Holy Spirit spoke to my heart and said, “The difference was this the other part of the serviced was revolved around the ramp but when Eddie James lead worship it was revolved around Me(Jesus Christ)”
    I used to be in things similar to the ramp. Thinking that God is moving here more than any Church. I was so quick to call everybody religious and other churches were dead. I got so mad when people spoke against my leaders because I thought they were closer to God than anybody. I used to talk more about my leaders than Jesus. One of the teachings I used to be in that almost destroyed my life that is in the ramp is the “Fathering doctrine” Matthew 23:9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. A true move of God will cause you to leave talking about Jesus and what he done not about your leader. I remember someone gave me a prophecy one time how I was going to be great and was chosen. That false prophecy almost destroyed my life. It sounded good but caused me to become so spiritually proud. What the ramp needs to do is just to keep focusing on the lost, sick, and broken exc. instead of the “great awakening.” If it’s a true awakening people will know it you don’t have to keep proclaiming the ramp is the next great awaking. All that will produce is a dangerous pride that God is only moving in the ramp! When I told people at the ramp about the revival that is happening in Mobile Alabama they become disappointed, because they are thinking the next great move will be at the ramp.
    The people on this blog can get mad, call what I say persecution, call me religious, or say I am not filled with the Spirit. If you don’t agree with me on nothing please agree with me on this. Stop exalting the ramp and the leaders. But exalt Christ!

    January 30, 2011 at 4:02 pm
  • melody Walker says:

    I am so sorry that you do not have a revelation of a true prophet…..Damon IS a true Prophet of GOD, and GOD has used him to touch many lives for HIS glory!!! My eight year old daughter was HEALED totally of severe asthma when Damon prayed for her!!! She was VERY sick and had many hospital stays a year she was on adult asthma medication and STILL had asthma symptoms. When Damon prayed for her on June 9th 2008 at 10:05 pm JESUS healed her totally. She has had not had one inhailer, one pill or one breathing treatment since. NO more steriods, no more dr visits, no more hospital stays. She now can run, dance, play and does not have to stop to take her inhailer!!!!! And Damon takes NO credit for this…he wants no glory from man…the BIBLE says to honor the prophet of GOD.
    I also have at least two other total healings that I could post, but I will let the changed and healed people post their own stories! I am praying that JESUS will touch you and remove the veil from your eyes! You have a voice that could spread the love of JESUS, and not cause division in the body of Christ. Please remember that we are to be LIGHT, and spread the love of JESUS to the nations. Where the whole world will know that JESUS is the HEALER, SAVIOR, and DELIVERER….and HE can use ANYONE to HIS GLORY!

    January 31, 2011 at 11:04 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Melody, could you provide us with some sort of medical documentation of this claim. You can e-mail that to thispigrimland@gmail.com

    January 31, 2011 at 1:29 pm
  • Jeremy says:

    Who said Damon is rebellious ???? and don’t rise against the servant of God…God is using him mightily among the youths… you dont be rebellious cuz it might lead u somwer wrong.. Never try to criticize the servant of God.. We are worshiping the God almighty not Damon thompson..so no point of criticizing.. if u are good and pure enough You can talk..but that doesn mean that u can criticize.. has God put u up in greater place than him ??

    February 3, 2011 at 11:22 pm
  • J says:

    A clear sign of a well thought out response to false teaching is no one being able to rebut. Usually what follows next is personal attacks against the speaker with over emotional accusations. (which we’re seeing here)

    If the author of this blog is wrong, then point it out Biblically and defeat his argument point by point. .

    I’m seeing a whole lot of people responding based on what “they feel” versus what we know to be concrete and True, The Word of God.

    February 9, 2011 at 4:25 pm
  • Dannyfattington says:

    This makes me laugh honestly. I suppose that by first commenting on his apperance you are saying thats the “wrong” way to dress. However I could look at someone in a 3 peice suite and not be able to tell if their a christian or just a crooked businessman on wall street. Second Their is not much to say and I really have no desire in picking your argument apart because frankly its a waist of my time. I could I am currently in College for biblical studies I am emersed in it. That however does not matter. Dude just cause you dont like something doesnt mean its wrong. There are more dangerous “prophets” out there like Todd Bentley and such to be backbitting this guy because honestly just because you dont want to actually listen to his message of salvation and a holiness doesnt give you the right to slander it.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:47 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Todd Bentley is in the same camp with these guys Danny. They are all connected. Do the leg work and you will see. One in the same. Also, it will help your arguments in the future if you at least put some effort into spelling words correctly. Not trying to be insulting, but it would really help your position and in my taking you even the least bit serious.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm
  • Glockrocker says:

    by A W Towzer

    “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies … 2 Pet. 2:1

    Whatever it may be in our Christian experience that originates outside of Scriptures should, for that very reason, be suspect until it can be shown to be in accord with them.

    If it should be found to be contrary to the Word of revealed truth no true Christian will accept it as being from God. However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in Scriptures. “To the word and to the testimony” must always be the last and final proof.

    Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Thoughout the twentieth century quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among truths that were to be revealed in the last days.

    The truth is that the Bible does not teach that there will be new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days; it teaches the exact opposite! Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning.

    Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence!”

    February 11, 2011 at 2:42 pm
  • Brian says:

    wow! you ott to be ashamed of yourself! you have no conception of that of which you speak! if you only knew him!

    February 13, 2011 at 3:55 am
  • Brian says:

    melody, dont waist your time sending medical documentation it will be minpulated and twisted to attack damon.

    February 13, 2011 at 4:00 am
  • JeffBush says:

    David,
    I’ve emailed you at discuss@thispilgrimland.com. I’m sure you get a lot of spam to that inbox, but just wanted to let you know. Since you mentioned that Damon was not ‘approachable’, I’m trusting you will be.
    Jeff

    February 14, 2011 at 9:35 pm
  • Caleb says:

    This whole post is absolutely ridiculous, friend! Damon thinks no bigger of himself than anyone else. I live here in Hamilton, I work with the Ramp, and I am part of everything that we do. We have corporate prayer every morning, we are encouraged to study out the Bible and pray in our personal time everyday, we see numerous people of all ages set free every other week, and we have a feeding center for the poor. In EVERY message Damon has preached, he has preached from the Bible. God gives him words sometimes, yes. It’s called prophesy, sir. I discern everything that is said by anyone. We are encouraged to do so – it’s not like we are brainwashed robots. Really. Damon says that the gospel of John is more of a “love letter” from John. That is what Damon’s opinion is. It is what he believes. You don’t have to agree, but it’s not like he said that every opinion he has is truth. Geez. While you ramble on about people that you know nothing about, they pray that people like you get a revelation of who God is. I pray so as well. I just don’t understand all of these absurd remarks against the Ramp from people who like to bash just because it looks different from their regular routine. You may speak against this ministry, but since it is not false, I hope your eyes are opened when God uses it to awaken a generation.

    February 18, 2011 at 12:06 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    “God gives him words sometimes, yes. It’s called prophesy, sir.” Can you explain that sentence of your rant better Caleb? Please help us understand what that meant.

    February 18, 2011 at 9:57 am
  • Caleb says:

    Prophesy is self explainatory. God speaks to Damon to share something corporately, and he will share it. I can’t see why you are bashing Damon, but I don’t have to understand. The truth is that false ministries are exposed by God. The Ramp is not a false ministry, nor are any of our leaders. So, plug your ears to what I say. In the end, your accusations won’t matter. I simply want you to understand that you have a misconception, but I will not waste my time arguing when there are lost souls in this world that need to be shown the real God. God bless you.

    February 18, 2011 at 5:15 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    You see Caleb, your explanation delves into something that I can’t find any Biblical understanding of. What is sharing something corporately? What is your evidence that what Thompson tells you he has received from God is an actual revelation? I don’t believe anyone is arguing with you Caleb, I am just asking for clarification on the things you say. If you can’t provide that, then just let me know and we can move on. It seems to me that if I am wrong, then there is a possibility my soul could be lost by your logic. If that was really important to you, wouldn’t you be going above and beyond to show me that I am wrong, Instead, I just see you defending your concert hall and your rock stars…. That is troubling.

    February 18, 2011 at 11:59 pm
  • roycewalker says:

    sir i honestly feel as though you are through intelect trying to fight against spiritual things i will say although i do appose alot of which you say that you do have a great boldness one that is encouraging to an extent. I would remind you of a man named noah wo God told there would be a great flood…when there had never been rain…and in the days of noah so will the coming of the son of man be. i commend you on your transparency but rebuke you in your stubborness…in a holy way i do believe just as our God is multifasited that i believe he works through many different avenues to bring the light of Himself to our eyes including both damon and yourself i have no doubt that the mantle of boldness you have has been passed onto your disciples and pray that your pride…as we all have…has not… I love doctrinal debate and welcome it all for i know that i am not perfect neither is anyone else and thank our God that he loves us in our weakness and as we draw closer to Him we love others in their weakness. damon is a carefull teacher with a holy life and a fire that can easily be seen by those who have not expiranced that same fire as false…because just as all of Gods infinite atributes we cannot wrap our intelect around them but instead are given the grace to persue Him into the depths as paul prayed in eph.3 that all the saints would come to know the full dimensions of Gods love…that love is vast beyond human comprehension and when we find ourselves trying to phsycologicly comfront the revelations of God we find ourselves fighting against Him…John understood this as he opens his gospel giving way to a revelation that many in his day would say as you are about damons revelations to be false although it is through that revelaion of john that we draw one of the most magnificant revelations about the triune God that Jesus was with God in the beggining being God as man and man as God…i believe this revelation to be solidified by the intimate relasionship that that great disciple john had as he leaned on the breast of God and drew closer to His heart…i do not come to argue with you nor defend anyone though it would be easy to say that no good tree bears bad fruit and the ministry of damon thompson has born good fruit not only in my personal life but many others and an entire city…but i come rather to encourage your longing for the true God that has been lost in so many throughout the generations and i do aploud your boldness towards that as i know how hard it must be for you God honors that and i hope not to change your mind about a man but rather that you would draw deeper into the knowledge of God. i pray that the people you lead would be enlightened by the light God entends you to be and that He will use you mightely as i know he will to stand boldly for His perfect love.

    March 4, 2011 at 10:36 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Did you really just compare D.T. to Noah? Think about the implications of that.

    March 7, 2011 at 9:37 am
  • Phil Marquez says:

    To Crystal W. – you have just judged King David as he danced before the Lord in his ephod. Only Michel saw him as distasteful and she was wrong.

    March 7, 2011 at 11:57 pm
  • Grammar Police says:

    Are all who come here defending this man terrible spellers? Do any of them complete a sentence?

    March 8, 2011 at 9:57 am
  • Matthew says:

    You are an idiot!!

    March 8, 2011 at 4:09 pm
  • E. Duncan says:

    I have had questions about Damon for some time. I have some about you too. I even have some about myself. It is a time of great deception, and believers bickering is not going to draw folks to Christ. I would like to speak with you if you are going to be that accessible. I will phone you, if you supply me with your number.

    March 15, 2011 at 2:42 pm
  • Keith says:

    Damon is a teacher of Christ, I have seen first hand the healings and the lost come to know Jesus.
    I question why you would be so against someone who is winning souls from the devil?

    March 19, 2011 at 8:45 pm
  • Grammer Challanged says:

    Ms. Grammer Police, Your right, we cant spell. But love Damons preaching.

    March 19, 2011 at 9:36 pm
  • Mary says:

    Wow! One thing comes to mind when I read all of this…Miriam. We should all tread carefully when calling out someone that we THINK is not speaking the truth of God. I’ve personally sat under this teaching after going to The Ramp as a youth pastor and I can say that nothing in this article could be further from the truth!! I will be praying for truth to be revealed to you, cuz this ain’t it!

    March 21, 2011 at 6:57 pm
  • Roy says:

    Dvdbrumley
    2 wks, 4 days ago
    “Did you really just compare D.T. to Noah? Think about the implications of that.”

    Yes that would be foolish, as D.T. has the advantage of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him which according to Christ was better than Christ himself physically walking with men. So yeah comparing D.T. To Noah isn’t fair, but in Noahs defense, he lived before the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    March 25, 2011 at 2:28 pm
  • Boredwiththis says:

    Ok. I have made it to the bottom of this page and can clearly see one thing. This discussion will never go anywhere. This has been presented as a criticism of the teachings of Damon Thompson, but, in essence, it is actually a criticism of pentecostal and charismatic theology. I have been fortunate enough to study under a number of well educated pentecostal theologians who through many years of objective study have found a number of these ideas to be well grounded in scripture. I have studied and understand both the history and the bibilical argument for the charismatic movement but I also understand that it is simply pointless to present it here. Any argument that I may present (something which I want no part of) will only be contradicted.

    The truth is that we all read the same Bible and there are a number of disagreements between the various avenues of belief within the Christian faith. The crisis comes when we accept that there is only one true interpretation of scripture (of which I agree). Then only one of us can be correct. Though I have issue with exclusive christian sects that deny salvation based on anything other than rejection of Christ’s saving work on Calvary, I also believe that Christ alone is our cause. I think as redeemed children of the Almighty God, we all have a responsiblilty to not be divided by outliers in our faith but be united by what is central to our faith. That is Jesus…period. We have been commissioned by the Son of God to go into the world and preach the Gospel…not theology…not philosophy…not doctrinal beliefs or separations…simply Jesus. Paul said this, “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified” because He is the only thing that will transform this world that has predominantly fallen into the clutches of sin.

    My suggestion to you, Mr. Brumley, is that you remove this discussion from the web altogether. Jesus is not being glorified in this and the Kingdom of God is not being furthered. It is, in fact, simply affirming the negative character judgements placed on the body of Christ by unbelievers that may find themselves searching on your site. I do appreciate and respect your discernment and your devotion to truth. I only pray that you would use your seemingly deep knowledge of God’s word for the purpose of evangelism of those who do not know Jesus. This will build His kingdom, not cripple it.

    I appreciate you allowing me to post this though I most likely will not be returning to look for a response.

    March 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm
  • hookedonphonics says:

    Hey, while we are talking spelling, lets not overlook the moderator’s misspelling of Solomon on the Aug 28 post. I know its in the Old testament, but it is also in the table of contents (Wrote a song about it! Like to hear it? Here it go!) LOL. Just making a little joke in a tough room.

    March 26, 2011 at 3:51 pm
  • hookedonphonics says:

    btw here is an article I found citing medical evaluations of divine healing. No data to evaluate but medical opinions were presented.

    http://www.religionwriters.com/medical-doctors-confirm-%E2%80%9Cdivine-healing-cases-at-the-6th-international-christian-medical-conference

    March 26, 2011 at 4:07 pm
  • KatherineD says:

    I have serious doubts about Damon Thompson and Karen Wheaton Towe. When I watched them during their conference at the end of last year, it saddened me. It seemed to me they were more interested in money than the youth who had traveled to be there. One of their people stood up and said God told him that a certain number of people where going to give a certain amount of money. They had people standing by to pass out the envelopes. If this was a move of God, then why did they have people ready with the envelopes. Damon Thompson kept telling them Karen is loosing all kinds of money on this and everyone said she was crazy for putting on a youth conference. Youth were considered to be a waste of money, because they do not work. After this money grab and Damon riduculing people for leaving for bathroom, Karen Wheaton introduced the next speaker. She told everyone to leave who wanted to go, because they were locking the doors. She did not want the next man to be disrespected by people getting up. Locking the doors is borderline cult like behaviour. They seem to be brainwashers. As a parent I would not want my child at one of these conferences. Please keep getting the word out.

    March 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks bored for your comments. You stated that you hope my teaching would be used for those who do not know God’s word. My assertion is that those who attend The Ramp are not being fed God’s word and therefore I hope you can see that your prayer is being answered. Someone can say “Jesus” all they like, but if they are placing authority on any word other than that given, the “jesus” they cry to is a generic idol.

    March 28, 2011 at 1:56 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    So Roy is now telling proclaiming to us that Damon Thompson is greater than Noah. Wow.

    March 28, 2011 at 1:57 pm
  • Jay says:

    Just watched Damon at the Ramp on TBC… Wow! My soul is literally scared for the misdirected souls he contacts. God protect those who don’t have the time to research for themselves, and understand heriacy.

    April 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm
  • marie says:

    Wow, I wonder what you would have said about John the Baptist???

    April 4, 2011 at 4:09 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Marie, are you comparing Thompson to John the Baptist??? I suggest that you explore the book of Matthew and see what Christ had to say about John the Baptist before you start making such bold comparisons.

    April 4, 2011 at 6:53 pm
  • Jacqueline says:

    I’m sorry, but you’re in delusion. Damon Thompson is a wonderful man of God and if you can’t see that, observe your heart. Cast your own plank out before you begin passing false judgements on others.

    April 5, 2011 at 11:01 pm
  • royce walker says:

    Um no I DD not compare Damon Thompson to Noah I quoted Scripture in relevance to the times not in relevance toany man although you obviously have a deceiving way of twisting words and thoughs kinda reminds me of what the enemy tried to do to Jesus in Matthew (that’s a comparison fyi) but you did not address anything else in all of that andthats cool I don’t expect one that comes in the spirit that you come in to be able to process compliments of your person and rebukes of your spirit and hopefully Gods grace will give you that wisdom I’m sure your a great love of God and think your doing a righteous thing but in all honestly your using a great gift that God has given you for all the wrong reasons. Do you seriously think that God has given you the experience he has given you with Him to ever bring critisism on anyone? I mean I’m looking at this like how much time goes into bringing someone down when the truth of the matter is God would work through you much more powerfully if you simply took your gifting to encourage your brothers and if truely you were right your ministry would be so full of grace and encouragment that it would overtake falseness

    April 8, 2011 at 7:44 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Royce, could you please explain the phrase you uses “Scripture in relevance to the times.” I am having trouble following that thought.

    Also, I apologize if you have been offended by this but this is not a judgment on Thompson, but rather his words. There is a difference.

    April 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm
  • Martin says:

    Damon Thompson is also a ‘prophet’. He prophesied to Ron Phillips and his Church Abba’s House that God was going to send a strong revival through them. Thompson said he was considering buying a home in the Chattanooga TN area so he can be a part of the revival. Ron Phillips is a false prophet, that has associated himself with the likes of Benny Hinn and the ‘laughing’ preacher Rodney Browne. Do you really think God is going to send revival through false TBN prophets?

    Damon Thompson also prophesied to Ron Phillips, “The Holy Spirit said to me, “This man [Ron Phillips] has a problem he has an angelic infestation that is demanding an harvest of souls. And I say to that angelic infestation, you will get your harvest of souls”.

    Do you realize what an “Angelic infestation” is? God’s angels do not ‘infest’ people, but demons do! No wonder this condition was called a “problem” in the prophecy. Satan and his fallen angels are working feverishly to bring people into false religion and under the influence of counterfeit spirits. THE RAMP and ABBAS HOUSE are two places where this is taking place!

    April 11, 2011 at 10:43 am
  • Jim says:

    This website is a “flat-out” tool of the enemy…DVDBRUMLEY! Remember the Bible says “touch not my annoited and do my Prophets no harm.” I wouldn’t be in your shoes for your socks. God have mercy on your soul!!!

    April 21, 2011 at 1:39 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jim, although you may disagree, I am more than firmly convinced that the subject here is neither anointed nor a prophet.

    April 21, 2011 at 7:11 pm
  • Kyle Sigmon says:

    All i will say is i was at Winter RAMP 2010 IN CHATTANOOGA AND SEEN A BOY IN A WHEELCHAIR GET UP AND WALK…

    May 2, 2011 at 8:48 am
  • imelda says:

    Thank you for your info. Dont worry about silly people who love false prophets more then they love their God. You see alot of people dont worship God, instead they worship false prophets and their false teachings. These people can never see the truth, all they do is argue argue and argue, infact most of them HARDLY read the bible that is why they are in the dark.

    I have come to one conclusion if someone is genuinely looking for God , then God will show him the way but if someone is just a church going and not looking for God then he will continue in his darkness. That is why so many people are still in the dark because they are NOT looking for God but for man. Such people are the ones who argue and argue even when you give them scripture to back what you are saying. Those who love God love the truth. In short they are fools and they have refused to love the truth. 2 THESSALONIANS 2.

    Dont mind those who want to argue, there are some of us who want the truth and when we receive it we are happy. So thank you, God bless you and well done.

    May 11, 2011 at 8:40 am
  • Walter says:

    I know this blog is about Damon Thompson, but shouldent we be more concerned about people like Rob Bell who reject the virgin birth and says that Jesus is not the only way to salvation. This man is Pastor of Mars Hill Christian Church. Damon Thompson does not reject basic bible doctrine, or at least I have never heard him reject these important truths. Have you wrote any blogs on Rob Bell?I would like to hear what you have to say about him.

    P.S. Im not hear to debate anything so if you dont agree with my last statement about Damon Thompson thats fine you have your right to your own opinion.

    May 17, 2011 at 10:57 pm
  • Walter says:

    I know this is about Damon Thompson. But shouldent we be more concerned about Rob Bell who rejects the virgin birth. He also says that Jesus is not the only way to salvation.Damon Thompson does not reject basic bible doctrine, at leat I have never heard him deny these important truths. Do you have any articals exposing Rob Bell as a false teacher?I would like to hear what you have to say.

    P.S. Im not hear to debate,so if you dont agree with my statements about Damon Thompson thats ok you have your right to your opinion as I do to.

    May 17, 2011 at 11:10 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for the comments Walter. The only recent post I have had on Bell is here: http://thispilgrimland.com/?p=1700 . I hope you will check it out. I personally have not read “Love Wins” so I have not commented on the book itself. I have read plenty of Bell’s other material though and I am sure if you will read my website you will find plenty of discussion about the entire Emergent camp he is a part of.
    As a favor to you, if you really want to see a compelling interview with Bell about his book and beliefs, watch this from a UK radio program: http://www.premier.tv/lovewins
    God Bless.

    May 19, 2011 at 7:45 pm
  • Afflictingthecomfort says:

    Pretty sad my friend! This only explains one thing and proves another point that Im working on myself. Those who misunderstand prophetic individuals like Mr. Thompson have a vail pulled over their eyes. There is at no time where he speaks outside of scripture….ever. Many people like yourself tend to bend and twist the truths here because it is not palitable to your liking. The ones that I have noticed to step out “in faith” to “expose” these individuals have never been able to back their theories or accusations correctly; Solid scriptural foundation, having 3rd party validation and/or a public eye figure that backs their position. How does that work? You recieve your message or prophetic note from God, which in return is from God, therefore regardless of the vessel Christ is using to deliver it will save thousands of souls. 3rd party usually comes from the mass confirmation and or a respected CHRISTIAN public figure. The gentlemen has done so along with many others that people do not like or feel are “false prophets”. I would like to see your track record. From the comments you have made in regards to “your youth group peers” I’ll simply assume you are, in fact, youth. You have a long way to go my friend and I do believe in transformation and humility. We all have to go through it and I look forward to the day your recieve a true gift of discernment.

    I pray in the Name of Jesus that this post find it’s falling and this website be transformed into a true outlet to reach lost souls and not stir up a whirlwind of confusion for newborn christians.

    May 29, 2011 at 10:38 am
  • Tony says:

    Just watched a May 1st 6pm service of this Damon Thompson mentioned above. I don’t know anything about whether or not he is a false prophet but 5:15 into his sermon he tries to motivate God’s people through fear. Stating if they didn’t feel led or called to work with storm disaster relief it was because they were “going to hell”. This tells me something about the man as a pastor making such a statement is irresponsible to the people. Not that there could be people going to hell in the group but he wasn’t referring to “those people” he was speaking to those who had put their faith in the finished work of Christ. The New Covenant prophet exhorts, encourages, and builds up the believer, he doesn’t tear them down through the manipulation of fear. (1 Corinthians 14:3, 1 Thessalonians 2:3) If we truly believe we are saved by His Grace then our motivation cannot be through fear of retribution of sins to those who have already received forgiveness. I’m being as diplomatic as possible as I can be. I believe in the honest Grace of Jesus Christ who died on the cross to make the way for me to have relationship with God the Father and if all of us on this forum have done that inlcuding Damon Thompson then as the apostle Paul said “if Christ died who can condemn?”. And if we are trying to be the role of a prophet then exhort one another and pray for one another. Remember God love all of us so much he “gave” his Son Jesus so think on these things. Amen.

    May 29, 2011 at 6:01 pm
  • Afflictingthecomfort says:

    I do apologize for the last comment on “youth” I misread that part. But where in scripture does it say that we are incapable of healing others? Where does it say that God will not use us to do his works here on earth? Drop back to 1 Corinthians 12:7-11, after reading that do YOU say we’re not allowed to work in the Holy spirit and exercise our Gifts? My friend you have not felt the Holy Spirit move if you do not believe that healing eachother is possible. I myself found salvation through the healing of my back (degenerative disc disease) by a man in Mobile, AL. who I found through my mother who was healed of stage 4 Cancer. The way you speak, even if a mulititude came forth in your direction claiming to be healed by God through others he has gifted you would infact find someway to prove it to be wrong.
    This man heals, but gives it all to the glory of God. Never and I say NEVER claims it is through his own works does he heal others. My mother in law heals and SHE gives it all to GOD! You are misleading people.

    May 29, 2011 at 11:18 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Tony, I have heard that sermon. There were several errors in that sermon but I cut him slack because at that time the people in this area were in total shock from the storms that had devastated the area the previous week. It is sad that at a time when people needed comforting and assurance that they would be chastised in such a blatant and I dare say false way.

    May 30, 2011 at 9:23 am
  • Giam says:

    It’s been a year now… would like to get Matt’s view now. certainly babe’s eyes open within a year?

    Hey Mr Brumley, Amazing how “critiques” becomes like their preachers. Filled with pride and own opinions…
    Forgetting that rat poison only have 0.1% poison in but it still kills.

    Hold on friend, your hated but ’tis for His name’s sake…
    Great still to meet some active watchmen…

    blessings

    May 31, 2011 at 12:26 pm
  • Afflictingthecomfort says:

    ???????

    May 31, 2011 at 8:49 pm
  • Jenn says:

    Hi,

    I am a student majoring in Religion and minoring in Psychology. I have listened to Mr. Thompson on multiple occasions and have failed to discover the false prophecies you have referred to in his teaching. I can tell you this if you fail to fully discern the biblical premise of Mr. Thompson’s preaching due to your lack of faith I hope you realize the ramifications of your actions. The word of God states that you should touch not His anointed nor do His prophets any harm. If this man is the prophet that he claims he is, which is what I am of the opinion of, then dear sir it is you who are leading souls astray, not him. May God be merciful to you and may each of us who read your words be mindful before standing in judgment of a man of God. I believe we are instructed to pray for those in authority, called on to restore them in love not and seek the face of God for wisdom and understanding.

    I can tell you this regarding the falsity of his teaching. Just because you don’t believe in the miracles of healing does not negate their existence. Jesus Christ does not owe you an explanation for the healings he performs. Quite frankly I completely understand your contention with Brother Thompson. It appears to have nothing to do with Damon Thompson’s supposed apostasy but rather your refusal to read God’s word and accept it as His words without confining it to your finite understanding. May God enlighten your understanding and reveal Himself to you as He is and was and always will be.

    Proverbs 2

    Jenn

    June 1, 2011 at 12:08 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jenn, if you don’t mind sharing with everyone, where is it you attend school? Is it Liberty University? Is that the same Liberty University that just hosted a huge conference featuring men such as Lou Engle and Rick Joyner and women such as Cindy Jacobs? Are these people not all part of the New Apostilic Reformation cult that Thompson has very close associations (Dutch Sheets, Lou Engle) with? Perhaps the fact that you, as you boasted, are a student of religion (I thought the NAR was against “religion”) and psychology at a university that props these sort of people up makes you less than qualified to throw stones yourself. Perhaps you should take a look around you at your associations and begin measuring what you are being fed at Liberty against the actual word of God a.k.a. the Bible. God bless.

    June 1, 2011 at 12:44 pm
  • Ron says:

    Couple Qs…

    1. I thought the position of “Accuser of the Brethren” was already taken. (Revelation 12:10)

    2. Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? (Romans 14:4)

    3. How can Damon Thompson say that Jesus Christ is Lord without the Holy Spirit? (1 Corinthians 12:3)

    A false prophet does two things Sir. One, he/she will always lower the standard and two they will direct people away from Jesus. From the sermons I have heard of Mr. Thompson he has pushed me to definitely raise my standards and always points to Jesus.

    We all are sinners, none of us yet have glorified bodies free from sin. Everyone makes mistakes, that’s why Jesus came to die for us. Peter had to be rebuked to his face by Paul after his baptism in the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. If Peter wasn’t free from error and false doctrine/heresy after Pentecost what makes you think any of us can be error free? I’ve heard Mr. Thompson repent on camera quite a few times for something he had said in error.

    Your blog and comments are not very edifying. You are very arrogant and smug to people who take time to read and respond to your writings. I don’t see Christ’s love and forgiveness jumping off the pages of this blog. Martin Luther said it best:

    “You cannot be too gentle with the sheep, and you cannot be too harsh with the wolves.”

    It appears from this perspective that in your effort to find wolves you are slaughtering many sheep. That’s why Christ said to leave the tares with the wheat until the harvest. God bless.

    Ron

    June 4, 2011 at 2:47 am
  • Bryant Owens says:

    I am interested in what you are showing to be false with The Ramp. I have questioned the attendance of this event by my niece and her family. However, I must question your post only because I do not see the name of the author anywhere in the post or on this website. Can you tell me who you are and where does your credibility come? (i.e. education, etc.)

    June 4, 2011 at 2:36 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Bryant, do you know the author’s name of the book of Hebrews? Do you question the validity of that wonderful collection of sermons in Hebrews? I understand your reservation but I do not want to make this about me. My credibility comes from the fact that I am a sinner saved by grace bestowed when Christ died for my sins on Mt. Calvary. As far as education, rather than asking about mine, assuming that this is important to you, ask what Thompson’s education is instead.

    June 6, 2011 at 8:41 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Sorry you feel this way Ron but I believe you are brushing over some verses regarding discernment in the scripture.

    June 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Bryant, I looked at your website and I enjoyed what I had time to read. I see that we have similar takes on Gabe Lyon’s The Next Christians.
    I believe that you should explore the reservations that you are feeling about your niece and her family. Take a look at the associations of the leadership of these people and you should find the answers that you seem to be looking for. Not saying that I have all of them, but where there is smoke, there is normally fire.

    June 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm
  • Maddi says:

    Wow. Maybe before you try and condemn Damon you should go to the Ramp. Go argue this with the thousands of changed lives. If you let the Holy Spirit really speak through this all that matters is the glory, you do believe Holy Spirit still moves and works through us today right? I mean I’m 15 and last summer I went to the ramp for 4 days and came home more on fire and intimate with the Lord than ever before… As did most people there. The baptism service was like touching heaven. You can argue religion but you can’t argue a changed life sir. Let me tell you there’s no false teaching there, you have to have a deeper level of revelation to grasp what he’s saying. Its straight from the Lord

    June 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm
  • Maddi says:

    Listen to Acceleration and Ascention. It explains a lot. If he is a false prophet let God be the judge but seeing that he isn’t, please don’t post things like this. If you are a Christian your job is encouraging, edifying and uplifting. This is none of the above

    June 7, 2011 at 10:06 pm
  • adam says:

    man, i didn’t realize damon was this popular. i had not seen a recent photo of him either. looks like something out of a skater magazine…cool i guess. i personally think that there were too many immature comments and personal attacks made on this thread to create a helpful conversation. no one directly responded to the moderator’s origianl comments on damon’s theology and bad exegesis of scripture. until we can discuss calmly, intellegently and without anger or irritation, with an intent to “progress in understanding and experience”, then this conversation is a waste of everyone’s time.

    one last thing…please don’t lump damon in the emergent stream of christianity…we don’t want him either! jk we’ll take him…some emergents still believe in the authority of scripture and the truth embodied in the life of Jesus!

    June 8, 2011 at 5:39 pm
  • Renee says:

    Hello, first I just want to say I respect you, and I understand what you are doing. but, I will say this I didn’t finish your blog because I didn’t like the way you talked about this man, do you know his heart? even if he truely is a false teacher, he is still meant to be our brother, and did you ever think maybe he has no clue that he has been decieved? maybe you did mention something like this farther along but I urge you to pray for him in love, and really know that the Holy Spirit told you personally that he is incorrect, we are not the judge God is. so while we can see that maybe the things he teaches about might be in error we do not know the heart, and we can not. please just pray for people instead of asumming they are false. just pray, and if he was insulted by you maybe you should look at your approach to calling him or trying to get in touch with him. He is still our brother. do everything in love. God will deal with those who are false and leading people astray, believe me I know that in soon time He will. God bless you.

    June 11, 2011 at 10:51 am
  • Goddabomb.com says:

    I was saddened when I ran across this page.You could be doing so much more to further the kingdom of God if you were not putting all of your free time into hatred of what this man is talking about and the calling on his life. Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, the bible says “Warn them against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.” -2 Timothy 2:14 Also, “Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.” -2 Timothy2:23 If you believe he has a stupid argument and is doing false teaching, then why are you having anything to do with it by promoting this page? You are entitled to your opinion, but as a Christian, I was alarmed that you chose to display it in this way.

    June 13, 2011 at 10:52 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    You skipped the part of 2 Tim. between those verses you quoted in which Paul specifically called two false teachers out and even explained exactly what they were teaching and how it was wrong. Sorry that we disagree on this. God bless.

    June 13, 2011 at 11:41 pm
  • JD says:

    I just saw a video of youtube where Damon claims that being saved will cause a person’s DNA to change. Seriously he actually said that. One of his “apostles” told him about it apparently.

    What is is about religion that causes some people to be so gullible?

    June 15, 2011 at 3:12 pm
  • Brian Goode says:

    I will not address the arrogance of this blog, I simply want to give FIRST HAND ACCOUNT of one subject you have slammed this man for: HEALING. In one service the Holy Spirit began moving and my right ear, that I had problems with, began to get warm. I instantly was able to hear better in that ear than I had years. Mr. Thompson was on stage took mic and said, “the Lord is healing ears in here. Just let Him have his way “. He had no idea before or after that this was happening to me or those that I spoke with afterward. Secondly, my wife’s right ankle was severly injured in a car wreck in 1996. She had walked in pain and a limp since then. One night at the Ramp, she was “called out” at the Ramp and asked to walk around and “let’s see what the Lord wants to do” no one touched her and the service moved on. A few minutes later she came to me crying and said, ” I don’t hurt and I’m not limping anymore”. This was in 1996. She & I both were healed period. Your article doesn’t “anger” me it makes me sad for you. You are the one that is looking at a man. We are not, we are looking at the Christ who paid on the cross for our sins and by whose stripes we are healed. We are praying for you.

    June 17, 2011 at 7:16 am
  • Brian Goode says:

    CORRECTION: her foot was hurt in 1996 and healed in 2006.

    June 17, 2011 at 7:30 am
  • daniel says:

    you told shea that you only judge him by his teachings…..who are you to judge? in all honesty you are the one in danger. what if this man is a true profit of God? then you are the one whos is endangerning yourself. the bible says touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm…..that goes for verbal abuse as well sir! so im only saying this in regaurds to your soul………be careful who you talk about. if I hear anyone claiming to be a prophet of God, i dont say a word……. i let God find them out, and I surely dont post my opinions of them all over the net!!!

    June 19, 2011 at 6:06 pm
  • daniel says:

    and especially calling his tounges fake. the bible says that anyone who blashpemes against the holy ghost is NOT forgiven! what if its real? your in danger.

    June 19, 2011 at 6:18 pm
  • Tyler says:

    I cant believe this discussion is still going on… This is pointless

    June 22, 2011 at 6:08 pm
  • pprog619 says:

    1 of the things that this man brought up was about his appearence his tattoos and former dreadlocks. well this alsowas found on a former revivalist in lakeland florida todd bentley. todd bentley was used greatly and GOD WORKED THROUGH HIM to do miracles and heal many people. of course he was temted by the devil and fell into lust and temptation… like every body does every so often. but you speak about using scripture well i think it was the bible that said god doesnt look at a persons outward appearence but god looks down into A PERSONS SPIRIT. god is searching the world looking for a clean OPEN vessel. and damon thompsons SPIRIT IS CLEAN AND PURE TOWARD GODS WORD.

    June 23, 2011 at 9:20 pm
  • pprog619 says:

    also you talked about tongues without interpretation that is very biblical in the first innitial filling of the holy spirit in acts 2:4 they didnt have intrepretations… and later in that same book they did the EXZACT SAME THING…. i have biblical answers… god bless :)

    June 23, 2011 at 9:26 pm
  • pprog619 says:

    my church is a very radical tongue talkin church also we come out from under our spiritual father kenneth e hagin we still follow pastor kenneth w hagin and lynette still today also osteen copeland and the late smithswigglesworth speak in tongues and what do you see wrong with karen wheaton by the way… and the new generation concept?

    June 23, 2011 at 9:30 pm
  • Steph says:

    I just read the very first tear apart of Thompson and that was enough. Jesus said we were to do greater things then He… YES! That means actually HEALING the sick and lame. Also, there is a difference in speaking in tongues (which bibalically requires inturpitation) and PRAYING in tongues…. or praying in the spirit.

    June 23, 2011 at 11:39 pm
  • Beth says:

    Time did not allow me to read every comment, but I have skimmed a great many…However biblically knowledgeable and articulate you may be, the fact that you even mention Damon’s physical appearance speaks volumes. Although this happens not to be the case with Damon (regarding the tattoos), and not that it even matters, you’re criticizing something that to your knowledge could have been done prior to salvation!

    Yes, the Bible warns against false prophets, but as I’m sure you’re aware, the sheep in wolves’ clothing portion of scripture goes on to say you will know someone by his fruit, a good tree produces good fruit, and so forth. My husband and I have known Damon since 1999. He has 15+ yrs of good fruit and fruit that remains, yet you never acknowledge the thousands he has led to salvation or the countless numbers of people challenged to grow in their personal relationships with God.

    Your opinion of Lou Engle, a man who devotes his life to organizing millions in prayer and fasting movements, is also telling…If you ever have the opportunity to attend one of The Call meetings, I think your opinion would change…

    June 24, 2011 at 6:40 am
  • Steph says:

    You also mention Thompson’s tatoos like they are a bad thing (they may have been before Jesus, but that doesn’t mater)…. Read Revelation …. Jesus has a tatoo on his thigh.

    What gives you the right to judge this man?

    June 24, 2011 at 10:36 am
  • adam says:

    daniel…learn first what it means to blashpeme against the spirit. there is no sin that can go unforgiven. that is like saying God will create a rock so heavy that he can not lift it.

    remember to let scripture interpret scripture…

    June 24, 2011 at 3:38 pm
  • adam says:

    oh yeah…can someone please explain the concept of accelerated return…that is a sermon damon taught at my in-laws church and i don’t remember Jesus ever talking about that.

    June 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm
  • Walter says:

    @Steph- You say there is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues. Can you back that up with scripture please?

    June 24, 2011 at 9:34 pm
  • Walter says:

    Steph-You say there is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues. Can you back that up with scripture?

    June 27, 2011 at 6:59 pm
  • A. says:

    My friend God does everything out of love and this is not out of love. Also Damon’s apperence is of the people in this generation and if you don’t like it then what are you honestly going to do when someone walks into the church doors probably looking worst than that write a blog of how fake they are or are you going to love the “sin” out of their lives?

    June 27, 2011 at 9:43 pm
  • Lucas says:

    This is rediculous. You battle is not agaisnt flesh and blood. So, if you have a problem against Damon maybe you should spend your time praying for him instead of bashing him. The Bible also says pray for your enemies, which clearly your making Damon out to be. In my opinion it is you who is the wolf in sheeps clothing. Look at the countless fruit that comes from Damons teaching. Damon is a tree of good fruit but you are looking more like a thorn bush with your attacking method. Ill pray for you.

    June 28, 2011 at 4:43 pm
  • Jeff says:

    Walter, the entirety of Chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians ONLY makes sense in light of a distinction between tongues as a gift, addressed to the church (followed by interpretation) and tongues as a prayer, addressed to God. Without that, the whole chapter is rather confusing. Keep in mind, there are generally two modes during a service: 1) instruction to the congregation and 2) prayer/worship to God. Always ask “Who is the audience?” Paul is basically saying this: during instruction, keep it in a language people understand, one person speaking at a time. And during times when you all come together and are praying to God (at the same time), just be considerate of newcomers that may not understand it. So basically, if you’re looking for scripture support: read 1 Cor 14, just do so with this perspective, and the whole chapter will make much more sense.

    June 28, 2011 at 7:33 pm
  • Brit says:

    What happened to if they preach Christ and Him crucified, let them be? Paul said that, by the way. (phil. 1:18). And it seems like you say healing doesn’t happen… tell that to my grandmother who was supposed to die of cancer but God healed her, or try and get me to believe that after He replaced my damaged wrist where the docs said i could never play an instrument again yet i am or ask the docs who thought i was going to die b/c of heart problems 2 years ago… or the docs who said i would never be born and even if i was i wouldn’t make it… or the time i attempted suicide and took 10 loratabs and God healed me yet again b/c He knows the plans He has for me and He knows there’s purpose in me. and would you please stop calling teenagers gullible and immature. not all of us are… i’m only 16 and i’m most definitely not like that, it’s hard to be that after having an encounter with God and as much as He delivered me from, immaturity would just put me back in that place of bondage. let me share 2 of my favorite quotes, when it comes to matures of style, go with the flow, when it comes to matures of principles, stand like a rock.-author unknown. God isn’t looking for perfect people, He’s looking for people who will be real. -damon thompson.

    June 29, 2011 at 12:39 am
  • pprog619 says:

    and about his revelations he is not correcting or adding on too the bible revelations are used from god to edify or bring to ur remembrence what the bible has already said in the word and tell me what is wrong with karen wheaton and the new generation

    June 30, 2011 at 12:45 pm
  • pprog619 says:

    there is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues! it is very biblical
    and also getting drunk in the holy ghost!!!

    June 30, 2011 at 12:50 pm
  • pprog619 says:

    noone has answered me yet about what is wrong with karen wheaton and the ramp and the new generation factor

    June 30, 2011 at 12:53 pm
  • Sensical says:

    Brit, on all four accounts that you provided as proof that God heals; those are simply the results of modern medicine, which ironically, if you were a bit more fundamentalist you would have rejected on the grounds of, “if it is god’s will then so be it.”

    If you would like us to believe that your grandmother made it through cancer because of god instead of chemotherapy and well-trained doctors, then present some evidence for that. Now if you would like to argue that we have chemotherapy and well-trained doctors because of god, that’s fine, but understand that you are walking a very fine semantical line that ends up saying no more than, “I don’t know, so it must be god.”

    July 1, 2011 at 2:49 pm
  • wesley sizemore says:

    I believe this man to be very biblically sound having studied reformed theology for years. Though we may vary on eschatological outcomes, the truth is still preached. The “outpouring revival” type verbage is the same message of the First and Second Great Awakenings just with with modern language applied to it. I hear very similar teaching and exhortation coming from the Southern Baptist Camp as well concerning the coming Third Great Awakening, mainly by a man named Paul Washer who sits on the SBC. Many from the Calvinist and Arminian camp are fervently pushing for a complete reformation in America because we have indeed stumbled. Though Damon and others like him are much more passionate and emotional about the cause, this cannot be seen as error. The underlying message coming from every praying fasting bible believing church is that “something has to change”. So if your not commited to the Great Commission, I would ask you to stop splitting theological hairs by entering into “foolish controversies”( Titus) and pray for those who are endeavoring for the gospels sake.

    July 4, 2011 at 7:45 am
  • big gay al. says:

    God sent his only son. His ONLY SON. Which means we’re all just a bunch of girls. God please help us fight the temptations of lesbianism.

    July 7, 2011 at 7:31 am
  • Nick says:

    Perhaps you should reconsider your arguments. Though Damon is a harsh man, he is not insincere. I have actually talked to him on occasions, and I feel the same holy spirit around Damon as i have felt in my room praying alone to God. Secondly, why don’t you believe in the healing of the sick? Does not the bible CALL us to heal the sick? I recommend watching the awakening archives at ihop.org. There are several records of healing that Jesus poured out in a spiritual season of joy. Also, how is his appearance a problem? I know NO ONE who leaves a sermon and is like “man, i can trust what he said, because his clothes are so modern.” May Jesus send his spirit of revelation to you.

    July 11, 2011 at 2:47 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Again, it’s not about appearance Nick. Where’s the gospel???

    July 11, 2011 at 4:21 pm
  • Brit says:

    Sensical, my grandmom was supposed to start chemo but never did she made the doc redo the tests again and where there definitely was cancer there wasnt anymore. i know how powerful my God is and will not doubt Him or what He is done. i’m sick and tired making Him seem like a puny wimpy God when that is the exact opposite. all power is in His hands. at His name cancer will dry up. don’t tell me it was docs and treatments, i know what He has done. u weren’t there so don’t go judging things saying they weren’t God. can He not heal anymore? i’m sorry but that is wrong…

    July 12, 2011 at 11:39 pm
  • Taryn Jones says:

    I find it difficult to hear you tearing down another man of God. We are called to pray for men of God not to publically slander them. I also think its very convenient that you have this posted without a link to hear the sermon you are referencing. It is not available to see or listen to any longer, which means we must just take your word for it, instead of discern for ourselves what he was trying to say. Your first argument was against faith healing. I realize that without a faith revelation it is a diffcult pill to swallow. Is. 53:5 says, “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.” We are healed, not might be, if its God’s will, because He already willed it, just like we are already forgiven, we need only to accept it and walk in faith. Its scary, but that’s faith. How much easier is it to live in doubt, casting dispersions on those who can step out on the water, because we are afraid to take the step and belive? Standing in judgement of a man who so obviously loves Jesus and has a heart for the lost, broken and cast aside… that seems like a dangerous place to live. Please, pray in earnest, for the man of God. If you think he is deceived, then pray about that, but you should spend your energy spreading the gospel and Love of Christ, not tearing down other ministries.

    July 13, 2011 at 7:11 pm
  • DeAndre says:

    dvdbrumley: Your commits : Tattooed and until recently, dreadlocked, he is much more a wolf in tiger’s clothing. That is not the issue at hand though.

    If that’s not ONE of the issue why did you post that commit?

    Wonder what you look like? Grossly overweight maybe.

    I assume this will not be posted.

    July 14, 2011 at 9:17 pm
  • DeAndre says:

    I pray to the Lord that he will forgive me for the previous post. It was not nice to you.

    July 14, 2011 at 9:26 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Very telling “DeAndre” that in defense of your supposed prophet that you are led to make such comments about people. What more could be expected from someone who worships people who relishes in calling homosexuals “queers” though?

    July 15, 2011 at 9:28 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Are you praying to God as “DeAndre?” Is that your real name?

    July 15, 2011 at 9:29 am
  • Z.J. says:

    Does no one get sick and tired of bashing another person? What happened to love and why are we wasting so much time? My spiritual father, Blake N. Sitz, told us at the Well Worship Encounter last night that God had given us a spotlight in our personal lives so we could see the issues that we had to deal with but we looked over and it also shown on someone else and instead of dealing with our issues, we were more concerned with their’s. In doing that, we never dealt with our issues and were held back. Think about that before bashing other people.

    July 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm
  • JamesSmith says:

    i am sorry to say this but i am absolutely disgusted by just the first paragraph of this post. Threw Damon Thompson and his ministry down at the Ramp with Mrs.Karen have let me come to see God in a new way where i was falling and did not want anything more then to say i was a Christian but threw his teachings i have come to know that i want an actual relationship with my Lord and Savior. This man (Damon Thompson) is a true man of God he is a perfect example of a man who has rebelled and hit rock bottom but threw God’s grace we are picked back up. You say you are a man of God but i will give you 3 versus i want you to think about and maybe you will learn that a great man of God should not be quick to Judge:
    And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? (Matthew 7:3)(NLT)
    Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. (Matthew 7:1) (NLT)
    They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone! (John 8:7) (NLT)

    July 17, 2011 at 5:47 pm
  • Travis Mamone says:

    All I know about Damon Thompson is he’s a major homophobe. I don’t remember Jesus ever talking about “the queers.”

    July 19, 2011 at 7:08 pm
  • JustKenny says:

    2 Timothy 2: 22-26 22Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

    2Timothy 3:1-5 1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    Titus 3:9-11 9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being condemned of himself.

    Phillipians 2:14 14Do all things without complaining and disputing
    Matthew 7:15-20 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them

    Galatians 5:22-26 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Mark 3:25-26 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end.

    Damon is known by his fruit. Many are submitting to the authority of Jesus and devotion to God through this one mans ministry. He stands for the truth! You are both brothers in Christ. When will we learn to be unified and become one body? No need to seek out to prove one right or wrong… but to pray for that person. Let us pull down these religious walls that seperate the churchs. Phil 2:2-3 2fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself

    Gods grace and love be with you!

    July 21, 2011 at 12:36 pm
  • Mary says:

    Hey,

    So I see you’ve gotten a LOT of flak over this article from people who don’t like what you are saying! As someone who, as a teen, was HEAVILY involved in the charismatic movement, who listened to TONS of teachers whose message sounds quite similar to this guy’s, and who has been VERY hurt by all that, I would first of all say THANK YOU for alerting us to some of the concerns you have about Damon Thompson. It sounds to me like this guy is yet another one of the many who stresses the importance of the Holy Spirit OVER the Word, instead of the two being complimentary. All revelations from God must line up with Scripture, and we must be wary of anyone who says otherwise. I have trouble with people who learn more from their “revelations” than from the Bible, and I don’t care what the room feels like when I walk in. I have seen a man get an entrie congregation to feel “drunk in the Spirit” and then tell them to give all their money to him, and that God was going to heal them all. I’ve seen lots of spiritual abuse, and it concerns me a TON. So thank you for letting people know your concerns- they are valid!

    Having said that, I do wonder if your approach here was not the best one. When I hear phrases like “false prophet” and “false teacher”, I equate those with “crock who is purposely deceiving people”. I certainly have issues with parts of Thompson’s message; however I don’t think either of us knows his heart, and there is a chance that he is misguided but sincere. If I were the one posting this I would have phrased it more as, “this guy is saying some things that don’t line up with Scripture, so be careful”, as opposed to “This dude is a wolf in sheep’s (or tiger’s) clothing!”

    Just my two cents…

    July 25, 2011 at 6:18 pm
  • Maturity says:

    To the author… Damon Thompson preaches the gospel. Until you talk to him yourself, shut your mouth. Philipians 1:18

    July 26, 2011 at 2:04 pm
  • igy says:

    Damon is an awesome man of God… you are the diluted one….

    July 28, 2011 at 1:41 pm
  • Jonathan says:

    I heard about Damon Thompson a while ago, when people put some of his quotes on face book, but I didnt know exactly who he was. I watched a preacher last night on God TV and only realised today that it was Damon who was ministering. His message was awesome because it had the effect of making me sober up. He DARED to speak out against the sociologists, psychiatrists, common purpose, purpose driven, entertainment, social club, permissive, carnality, perversion, endless theology, religion, compromise and other demonic influences that have paralysed the church of Jesus Christ. He stood powerfully for Biblical truth, and I realised that the religious spirit has been holding me down, (even though I like to think I am not religious…..) I saw fire and passion in him. He at least had the pure NERVE and INDECENCY to confront godless anti christian dogmas that have attached themself to the church.

    July 30, 2011 at 10:55 am
  • Karla says:

    you are absolutely correct about Damon. He is a false teacher.

    July 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm
  • Jonathan says:

    When I was first saved I had a powerful revelation of the blood of the lamb, and it changed me for ever. But in church the good folk would say oh dont mention the blood, that is out dated pentecostal legalism, it might upset or alienate people, we are having a barbecue next weekend, you should come along and have fun……Any way I was undeterred. I started reading accounts of revival, Whitefield, Wesley, Burns etc. I read a shocking sermon that was preached my Robert Murray M’Cheyne around 1845. In addressing the pious religious fanatics on the front pews of his church, he said something like some of you will turn out to be the worst possible bloodiest persecutors of the true gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. Nothing has changed much since then, the worst opponents of radical spiritual renewal are the religious fanatics within the churches, not the sinners outside who need salvation. I once read a book by Pavel Sudoplatev, (the tower of silence?) He was an ex KGB operative who defected to western Europe. He said the thing he was most regretful of, looking back at his past “career” was the way that the communist party deliberately targetted and corrupted prominent church people, to get them to inform and betray on their brothers and sisters.

    July 31, 2011 at 9:24 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jonathan, please expand on the “religious spirit” you mentioned. What is that?

    August 1, 2011 at 9:42 am
  • Jonathan says:

    “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away”. 2 Tim 3:5

    The most extreme example I guess is over the romanist altar, where they assert that emblems of the communion become real and actual body and blood of Christ. Its as far from redemption as it is possible to get, and the counterfeit, lying, deceiving, religious spirit behind it is willing to use persecution, cruelty and bloodshed to assert its authority, given the opportunity. If you go in a church gathering where folk are opressed, afraid, insecure, bullied, manipulated, controlled etc, its often a spirit of religion that is holding them.

    “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”. 2 Cor 3:17

    A religious spirit operates among people who have not had a revelation of a true and authentic Biblical GIFT of righteousness, from God

    “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Rom 1:17″

    A religious spirit operates by deceiving sinners into thinking that they can procure their own salvation by their good works or devout adherence to mans invented rules and rituals, often endorsed and given approval (a kind of assumed false “authority”) with the passage of succeeding generations-basically merely empty ways of life handed down to us by our forefathers…

    “For as much as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;” 1 Pet 1:18

    They never had a revelation of original sin, the wrecked condition of adamic man etc. Religiously controlled people still think there is something worthwhile they can contribute to their salvation. Those under a relgious spirit are controlled by legal rules, traditions, rituals, denominational preferences etc-not led by the Holy Spirit. When they do it right” they get proud of their superior experience and look down on lesser folks who failed to meet their holier than thou standards.

    “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” Rom 8:14

    Your either led by the spirit of God or you aint, theres no middle theolgical position….

    Dont forget religion and the controlling spirits that drive it are anciant and modern. The modern post war, post modernising “church” is just as infested, even if it hasnt yet started to persecute and kill the true believers. The men who altered things tried to eradicate knowledge of the key foundations of Biblical redemption-Original sin, conviction, repentance, the power of the cross, the power of the blood, being born again, resurrection life in Christ, die to your old adamic nature, abide in Christ, be filled with the Holy Spirit, deny yourself and take up the cross etc etc to name a few. Just likke the devil himself, they have said oh does God’s word REALLY mean that? You can now give yourselves permission to adapt scripture to suit your preferences, anything goes. It seems that the modern media driven common purpose driven arrangements are outwardly real neat and media savvy and seeker friendly-but have produced sheep that are blissfully and fatally ignorant of key truths. Yet the good folk still have access to nice well produced entertainments, permissive tolerance of their sins, and plenty of opportunity to spend on church “products”! Religion just tries to impress God on its own terms, but never succeeds!

    “I hate, I despise your feasts, and I will take no delight in your solemn assemblies.” Amos 5:21

    shalom, Jonathan

    August 1, 2011 at 1:18 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for better defining that. I see and agree with much of what you are saying. However, I cannot find it in the Bible where a condemnation of a “religious spirit” is mentioned or found. Great thoughts though. If you could answer one more for me though: would you state that a belief that God is giving you extra revelation and instruction that makes it alright to ignore the epistles writing on church governance or any other matter is part of a “religious spirit?”

    August 1, 2011 at 2:51 pm
  • Jonathan says:

    Check out some of these references

    2 Kings 9:22
    “And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?”

    1 Kings 18:17-18
    “And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said to him, Are you he that troubles Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but you, and your father’s house, in that you have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and you have followed Baalim.”

    Judges 6:7-10

    “And it came to pass, when the children of Israel cried to the LORD because of the Midianites, That the LORD sent a prophet to the children of Israel, which said to them, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, I brought you up from Egypt, and brought you forth out of the house of bondage; And I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all that oppressed you, and drove them out from before you, and gave you their land; And I said to you, I am the LORD your God; fear not the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but you have not obeyed my voice.”

    Deut 11:16-17

    “Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and you turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; And then the LORD’s wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest you perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD gives you.”

    Isaiah 46:5-7

    “To whom will you liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he makes it a god: they fall down, yes, they worship. They bear him on the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he stands; from his place shall he not remove: yes, one shall cry to him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.”

    Galatians 5:1-8

    “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say to you, that if you be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect to you, whoever of you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love. You did run well; who did hinder you that you should not obey the truth? This persuasion comes not of him that calls you.”

    Jer 51:17-18

    “Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.”

    Jer 17:1-2

    “The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven on the table of their heart, and on the horns of your altars; Whilst their children remember their altars and their groves by the green trees on the high hills.”

    There are other similar verses in the Bible. LOL I have existed under religion, at school, in the mosque (before I was converted) I have since been in various shrines where they have snakes, turtles, frogs, statues, incense etc etc. I even made a film of a prayer walk around places like that, they took their snakes and hid them away in boxes when I prayed out in tongues. It wasnt a sort of place where they did “passing snakes”. Whatever the idol (a deity, or in the post modern materialistic world, an idea or a concept) there is always a spirit behind it exerting restrictive control over people and hindering them from revelation of the truth as found in, and only in, Jesus (Yeshua).
    2 Cor 4:4
    “In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them.”
    This is why the body of Christ is required to confront those ungodly spirits-not in ones own strength or wisdom-but through the word of God and under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Look in Acts 19 how the Ephesian citizens got RILED big time when Paul preached there, the dianese idol makers knew their illegal trade was under direct, real and immaediate threat….and they incite the city into a fanatical religious indignation, (actually very much reminiscent of the outrage displayed by the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel in 1 Kings ) Chanting, shouting, intimidation, massive peer pressure to yield to their “deity”, but all religious, carnal, in the flesh….it also reminds me of the mob who yelled “crucify him”.

    As regards to extra revelation? Nothing can replace or outweigh written scripture. If someone shares something they say is given to them by the Holy Spirit, then it will always agree with scripture, and it will always draw attention to Jesus, not the giver of the message. I am of the view that if the body of Christ was to simply, Biblically, “return to the Lord” then we would see a healthy, plentiful operating flow of the gifts of the Spirit, because, as you know, “where the spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty”. The sin accomodating “liberal minded church” has managed to cut itself off from real power and holiness, which is why there is such real risk of counterfeit activity. Jezebels physical body may have been smashed down by the eunuchs, trampled under a horse and chariot, and eaten by dogs, but that spirit which drove her is still around today. Even faced with imminent death, she still tried to intimidate Jehu with guilt, accusation and condemnation. Its just that the name of Jesus is higher than that of jezebel, praise the Lord! The Bible doesnt mention revival yet the principle is referred to over and over, Return to me says the Lord, Return to the God of your fathers, Abraham, Issaac and Jacob…Look at the revival Kings such as Hezekiah, Josiah, Jehoshaphat etc, they made oaths and covenants between themselves and their subjects, and Alimighty God, to return to Him, and walk obediently in the covenant as established for Israel. Consider just how close Jehoshaphat came to calamitous ruin after his ill advised alliance with Ahab. But he had the sense and wisdom to learn from his error. The next time there was imminent danger, immaediately “he resolved to enquire of God” and look how spectacular was the rapid response from Heaven….
    Shalom, Jonathan

    August 2, 2011 at 6:44 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for the conversation Jonathan.

    August 2, 2011 at 8:16 am
  • Bri says:

    dvdbrumley,

    “The theology that Thompson and his sort espouse is dangerous to say the least and eventually, someone will end up being hurt very badly as a result of this dominion teaching ending up in the minds of impressionable young people.”

    I totally agree with this statement! Just yesterday my husband and I watched one of Mr. Thompson’s sermons which took place at the Ramp. I feel this man’s teachings are, in fact, questionable as the parable he used to get a message across to the pre-teens, teens and 20 somethings in the audience was a bit scary if you ask me.

    The story goes like this: A woman in OK had been convicted of several crimes; she committed these crimes before there was DNA testing. The investigators went back and did the DNA test and it matched the DNA found at the crime scene. Six months later they looked into a second case, but between the first and second cases, the woman goes through a genuine born again experience and her DNA no longer matched her own DNA. Then he followed it up with when you get saved you become a completely new person and he quoted “Behold all things are made new.”

    I just feel like those at a very impressionable age would interpret this, improperly used, parable incorrectly. What it says to me is it’s okay to commit a crime so long as you ask to be saved afterwards. God will forgive you and wipe away all evidence as a form of forgiveness so that you can live a new life thru Him.

    My husband and I were both born and raised in Hamilton, AL. I must say that since the foundation of Ramp was laid, it has had to deal with so much heat from the citizens of Hamilton. Even followers of Christ, and I do mean, God-fearing men and women have questioned their tactics. Ramp has had to endure a great deal of ridicule and scrutiny. Just in the last few months someone set it on fire, thankfully the sprinkler system put out the fire before too much fire and smoke damage was done; however, it’s auditorium was flooded by the sprinklers. Is it God’s punishment or is it just God testing the faith of those that own, operate, and attend Ramp? I guess we’ll never know, but what I do know is God has given us His Word and in his Word we are warned of people like Mr. Thompson.

    Romans 16:17-18
    Matthew 7:15
    1 John 4:1

    August 9, 2011 at 10:36 am
  • Diane says:

    I don’t know if I should laugh or cry about your rantings….gossip and slander. I’m sad for you because, as Matt has very well stated “God hates it” or did you not discern that is what your post is?
    I will not take the time to say EVERYTHING I want. After reading Matt’s response I believe he has said it all and all he said was true. Thanks Matt!
    I will say I’m sorry that you have never seen anyone healed. You probably never will, your Faith is not strong enough for it. Jesus tells us that we will do greater things than He did. Scriptures also tell us of the things that will follow believers, Signs, wonders and miracles….that is in your Bible isn’t it? Are you a believer, really? What signs follow you?
    I have searched the Scriptures and can find nowhere in the Bible where Satan, False Prophets or False Teachers point anyone in the direction of Christ……. You are to busy pointing an acusing finger at a true man of God to help anyone to the cross. How can you say that God is love when you have so much hate in you? I fear you reak of jealously toward Damon. He is reaching people, young and old, and they are being lead to Christ! People like this generation who would not normally give an ear to anyone carrying the Gospel, are having their Spiritual eyes opened, their hard hearts awakened and they are picking up their crosses to follow Jesus. Satan would never, ever, ever, ever direct anyone to Jesus for salvation! You are out of your mind with ENVY. “ENVY”, a great book by John Sorge, one you should read, all of Karen Wheaton’s staff and Chosen are required to read it.
    I have known Karen Wheaton for a long time now and will be one amoung many who will say she lives what she teaches! A wonderful woman of God!
    I have known Damon for longer, even before RAMP…..the man has been on fire for God for as long as I’ve known him. I don’t know of one thing he has ever done to discredit himself, the ministry or his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
    However, after all this, the Bible does say we believers would face pursecution from people like you.
    Get your life right, repent from your sin of envy, jealousy, gossip and slander and be in right standing with Abba Father! I would love to see you in heaven and we will sit and chat about how you almost missed it!
    I started out laughing about your foolish rantings……..I now cry for the loss of your soul!

    August 10, 2011 at 2:22 pm
  • Diane says:

    Oh, one more thing….if we are to be in the world but not of it……set appart from it…..you I believe were talking about hair and tattos and such…….when you comb your approved by God hair cut, and pull on your dress slacks, button up your white collar shirt, tie on your tie, shine up your dress shoes, just reach over and un plug your computer, it’s the worldliest thing you own!

    August 10, 2011 at 2:28 pm
  • Diane says:

    Correction: ENVY by: Bob Sorge, not John.

    August 11, 2011 at 8:33 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Where does your Biblical authority lie to “pastor” Ultimate Faith Church in NC Diane? I am going to have a hard time discussing discernment with someone who ignores what the Bible teaches on females and their role in church. Could you please tell how you read scripture in order to come up with the idea it is your role to be a “pastrix?’

    As far as your comments, saying “your faith is not strong enough for [seeing anyone healed].” Is this not typical word of faith language? Did Malchus have enough faith to have his ear placed back on by Christ? Did the lame man brought to Christ by others have enough faith? You are assuming a great deal in your statements. I am sorry that you see my words as envy.

    August 11, 2011 at 8:43 am
  • Jonathan says:

    Surely if God created dna, he is quite able to change it in a man or woman, should he so desire? Just a thought….

    One of the Jefferies brothers back in the 1930′s pentecostal revival prayed, very simply and quietly, for a young girl with no eyes (just empty sockets that had to be rinsed and disinfected regular to prevent infection) When she opened her eye lids she had 2 brand new eyes, God made new ones very fast. This had such an impact that the girls (unbelieving) eye specialist required all his nursing staff to attend the revival meetings….My father in law (who went to Glory 2 years ago) witnessed the Jefferies brothers preaching and praying for the sick at a crusad C1932, with his friend at the age of 10 or 11. He always vivdly remembered and described the canes, sticks, calipers, leg irons and crutches left in a heap on the stage after the service. Dozens and dozens of people walked home with healed new legs and feet. You dont forget something as awesome as that, actually HEARING the sounds of a body being healed by God himself….I once heard a testimony of an ex-terrorist from Northern Ireland, he had a nasty sectarian tattoo on his arm, and he was totally ashamed of it after he was converted. He had prayed earnestly about it; if I recall correctly he had some serious forgiving to do. Any way one day he was in the bathroom, washing his hands when suddenly the tattoo lifted out and off of his skin, and rinsed away and swirled away down the sink, leaving his arm clean. God can and does do this sort of thing (Not that God was bothered wether he had a tattoo….)

    August 11, 2011 at 2:33 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jon, I will just have to take your word for it. Glad that God still heals us from tattoos. Perhaps the subject of our discussion will someday be delivered from his ink.

    August 11, 2011 at 3:48 pm
  • Harold Young says:

    @dvdbrumley

    Good job. This group is a terrible terrible thing. It’s starting to resemble Jim Jones and his “followers” a bit, don’t you think?

    August 13, 2011 at 3:06 pm
  • Harold Young says:

    Except, of course, Jim Jones was highly intelligent.

    August 13, 2011 at 3:16 pm
  • Big SEFFFF says:

    Hey guys, this ramp thing, I just see sooooo SOOOOO many similarities to this and Jim Jones cult back in the 90s. I just thought I would say that. It’s like rules and doctrines are being made up by some people so their followers have to CONSTANTLY work and NEVER leave that place they go. And CampRamp scares me terribly, I am literally terrified because I know that cults hardly EVER end in a good way. Open your minds please and realize what you’re seeing, because a person searching for an open heart will find a place in the ramp, (because thats how they get their prey, they prey on the weak) but it will not turn out good. I do not see them following god at all, I see them following that woman, cheering her and clapping for her, her and that preacher and whoever else is in charge.

    August 13, 2011 at 3:20 pm
  • Confused says:

    I’ll admit this first off before comments after mine start shouting it: I don’t know much about the bible. I’ve went to a southern baptist church since I was 3. I went to Sunday school, vacation bible school, participated in the the Christmas/Easter plays. I never truly felt as if I belonged, even though I was saved and baptized at 13 years old during VBS. And then, my sister and I found another church (I won’t tell the name) and it was non-denominational. They taught of exciting things, a change in the church, that love is what its all about and we were so excited. SO happy we had found a church where finally, we could belong. (I had always thought sunday morning churches were so boring, so very old) This church was exciting, we sang, we danced, we actually felt the presence of God…or so I thought. The more I went to the church and got involved, the more I could see that it was starting to get a bit odd. They tried to pull me and my sister apart, tried to tell her (because by now, I wasn’t coming as often because of school and I lived an hour away and worked) that she needed to sever ties with me, and my mother and father. That all she needed was this church, and they would provide. She and her husband were struggling with money, and they tought if we just tithed a bit more, just gave a bit more, we could get it back two fold (that’s what they were told) and were nearly in debt. After many, many more things that I don’t feel comfortable explaining, because they’re about her and her marraige falling apart, she felt so broken down. She would have nightmares constantly, every night and never once did this church help her through, they just covered it up. Finally, she had had enough and left an abusive relationship, left the church, and came back home. Afterwards, no more nightmares…She felt free and truly felt as if she were being brainwashed…..

    And all this rambling DOES have a point. I have never felt more betrayed in my entire life. Somewhere that I felt was truly home to me spiritually, could turn their back so easily on me because I didn’t go every day, because I had a job, because I didn’t have enough money to tithe. They never tried to know me, or listen to me. They just wanted followers. And they forgot me faster than they could bring up their fake smiles.

    A couple of days ago, I was talking with one of my friends, who is also a Christian. Her father is a preacher, she’s spent her entire life in God’s word, and I trust her judgement. She had went to the ramp before. She told me something she had never told anyone before. The day she stepped into the ramp, she said she had never felt a more evil presence. That whatever was in there, was false, and not of God. I have heard this from several different people who have went, that Damon’s teachings not only didn’t match up with scripture, but also made people feel horrible about themselves so that the only option was to admit defeat and fall at his feet. He was confusing these youths and bringing them down so hard that the only way up was through him. I have never been to the ramp, and I have never experienced this myself…I have never had the opportunity to go. I have a toddler, and don’t feel comfortable bringing him to a place like that before I know what its about first hand. I’ve been burned before.

    The point I’m trying to make is that these churches now a days that spew ‘revolution’ and that they’re changing people need to be approached with caution. It’s scary and I know most people after me will tell me I don’t know this ‘Damon’ fellow and I know I don’t. But I’ve heard what he says, and seen the way he can hurt people, and quite frankly I don’t want to meet him. I don’t know whether or not he’s a false prophet. Maybe he believes he is, but is guided by something other than Christ. I don’t know his heart. What I do know, is that the group of people, all separate, all who do not know each other, could not possible conspire against the Ramp, Damon, and Karen Wheaton together, have all been scared by what they have seen and have been sickened by it.

    I’m not going to spout off scripture, after scripture because I don’t think it would do any more good than me spouting off definitions of some words I’ve used. I’m not saying this blog is right and Damon is wrong, I’m not saying the Ramp is right and this blog author is wrong….I’m just saying that it’s definitely disturbing what some people have felt and seen from the ramp, and churches like it. That’s all.

    August 15, 2011 at 1:02 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thank you for your comments. We must be careful when discussing feelings though. The Bible teaches that the heart is quite the deceiving muscle. This is why we listen to what people are teaching and weigh it against scripture. It sounds as if you may have done this already and I would be very interested to hear more from you on this matter.

    August 15, 2011 at 1:18 pm
  • Confused says:

    I think I should also point out, that my view on Christianity differs a WHOLE lot from ‘dvdbrumley’. I’ve struggled for years trying to find where I fit into this faith. I even tried ignoring my feelings and seeking other faiths and failing in them (ie wicca, buddhism, atheism). My thoughts are this: (if you cared to know) Jesus said ‘Anyone who is weary, come to me.’ did he not? If Jesus is who we follow, everything he says should be taken into consideration right? Jesus did not say Any MAN, any rich man, any heterosexual man, any woman…he said ‘Anyone’. Anyone in the world, whether you’re on death row for murder, even if you’ve had an abortion, even if you have tattoos, or are homosexual, any age, any race, anyone and I think that’s the most beautiful thing.

    So many people today, in the faith of Christianity, try to point people down the paths THEY think is right, in any denomination. Chruch of Christ followers will tell you if you dance in church (or at all I think) you’re going to hell. I doubt a baptist church would welcome someone with a green mohawk, piercings, and tattoos easily. NO church I’ve seen of so far accepts homosexuals and loves them THE WAY JESUS WOULD HAVE! They would tell them they were going to hell.

    And to be honest, that’s stupid.

    We go to hell for not accepting Jesus as our Saviour, not for having sex with someone, not for falling in love with someone that society sees as wrong. Jesus loved everyone, and he knows what’s in Damon Thompson’s heart and he is the ONLY one who can pass judgement.

    I myself, do not want to associate with him, but if he brings people to God, shouldn’t that be what we care about? I’m only saying this now because reading back on my comment, I didn’t start out to be biased one way or the other, and I feel like I started leaning toward bashing the Ramp. I do not agree with it, or what I’ve heard and witnessed from churches like the Ramp, but it does open people’s hearts to God…and that should be what every Christian is trying to do, right?

    We shouldn’t be boycotting funerals, protesting Pride marches, or telling people they’re going to hell…we should be accepting of everyone, and try to help everyone. Because that’s what Jesus wanted, and did.

    So, I’m sorry if anyone thought I was bashing the Ramp or Thompson, that wasn’t my purpose. I just find it scary how so many people think what they’re doing is wrong. That’s all.

    August 15, 2011 at 1:56 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Again, refer to my last comment to you. Much of what you have just said would stand in contradiction with scripture. God bless.

    August 15, 2011 at 2:07 pm
  • Confused says:

    That’s fine. I told you in my first statement I don’t know much scripture. All I know is God gave his only Son for my sins, and yours and if we accept him into our hearts, we’re saved ^_^ I think that’s lovely. What I don’t think is lovely, is how people have to rip apart a beautiful faith to determine who’s right or wrong. We’re all wrong. Everyone one of us.

    The sooner we admit that, the closer we get to God.

    But, God bless you too. I understand where you’re coming from in all of your messages, posts, and comments. I really do understand.

    And I know I know jack squat about scripture. What I do know comes from my own heart (even if it is that tricky muscle). I’d trust it over someone else’s opinions any day. But thanks again for letting me put my two cents in, even if it’s wrong :)

    August 15, 2011 at 2:18 pm
  • Eric Monaghan says:

    We must continue to do everything possible to expose the ramp and Damon Thompson for their false teachings.

    August 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    As long as that “everything” does not include criminal or sinful activity such as that of the person who attempted to set fire to the Ramp.

    August 22, 2011 at 11:42 am
  • Jeff says:

    Eric,
    You need to put forth some serious prayer about that first.

    Let me ask you, are you willing to EARNESTLY pray this prayer: “Father, accoding to James 1:5, I ask for wisdom regarding the Ramp. If I am wrong in ANY way about their teaching and doctrine, I WANT TO KNOW! ”
    ?

    If you’re not willing to sufficently pray that prayer, why not?
    In case you’re wonderinf, I have. I will again, and again…and again…
    No, they are not teaching false doctrine.

    August 23, 2011 at 8:15 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Eric, how do you know that Jeff has not prayed similar prayers? Yes, they are teaching false doctrine.

    August 24, 2011 at 6:44 am
  • Jeff says:

    And how about you David? Will you pray it? have you? Just once?? Confident enough to be able to continually?

    AND, as I’ve asked you before, and have not gotten a sufficient answer to. Will you pray likewise about the gifts of the Spirit being in operation today? I’d still like to hear your answer on that one.

    August 24, 2011 at 8:41 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Jeff, it’s a somewhat rude for you to not answer questions that you are asked before you begin asking others. If we are going to have a dialogue about this you must answer the questions you are asked as well.

    August 26, 2011 at 6:42 am
  • Brad says:

    Your attitude sucks. And your arrogance is appalling. You can’t just add “God bless you” at the end of a comment and it take away the fact that you have been a completely rude and hateful to people. Post your opinions and thoughts about Damon/The Ramp/Karen all you want to, that’s your right. But aren’t you supposed to do all things in love? Which, to me, means no arrogance or slander.

    My issue, obviously, is not your article. Take out the pointless slander and it’s an interesting read. My issue is how you deal with people. You just reek of “high and mighty.” You are not better than anyone else, your intelligence is just as questionable as anyone else’s, so why be so rude? You keep telling people to follow Jesus, you could use the same lesson man. Simply love people. Especially those who disagree with you or hate you. That’s the greatest commandment. Love God, and love people.

    I really hope all of this bickering between believers can stop. I have no idea who you are, or what your ministry is. But I hope it succeeds and many people come to know Christ. Blessings. Be encouraged. And have a good day sir.

    August 27, 2011 at 11:27 am
  • Jonathan says:

    I have prayed and studied a lot regarding revival, awakening, renewal etc, ever since I was saved on Nov 11 1987. I like and respect Damon Thompson. He and his associates probably arent perfect, but then is any one? What I like about the ramp is:-
    1/ Strong emphasis on determined and aggressive pursuit of God’s presence
    2/ Continual reference to scripture, what the Bible says
    3/ Passionate worship and praise to Jesus
    4/ Strong encouragement to be totally devoted to God
    5/ Refusal to be half hearted, rather be on fire for God
    6/ Strong emphasis on discipleship and future Christian service
    7/ Surrendering selfish desires and agendas for the sake of commitment to His purposes
    8/ Strong emphasis on holiness and purity
    9/ Willingness to confront the holy cow shibboleths of modern apostate christianity-particularly the obsession with entertainment, endless theology; resistance to anything that challenges sin and lukewarmness, or anything that is politically correct or is supernatural in nature.

    Maybe I see things through rose tinted glasses, but then again I’ve experienced many and diverse forms of religiosity, phariseeism, theologism, ungodly control, self righteousness etc. Maybe Damon and his ramp team are not of God, and are doing the devils work. But somehow, I dont think so.

    “Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said to them, You men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nothing. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say to you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nothing: But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it; lest haply you be found even to fight against God. And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.”
    Acts 5:34-40

    Shalom, Yehonatan (Jonathan)

    August 27, 2011 at 3:22 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for your comments Brad.

    August 29, 2011 at 7:26 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks for the comments Jonathan.

    August 29, 2011 at 7:28 am
  • consecrated1 says:

    We believe the Bible to be the inspired, only infallible, authoritative Word of God.

    We believe in one God, eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

    We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, and His vicarious and atoning death, in His bodily resurrection from the dead, in His ascension back to the Father’s right hand to make intercession for believers, and in His physical Second Coming to rule and reign in power and glory.

    We believe all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; therefore, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is necessary for the salvation of lost man and this miracle is wrought through simple faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

    We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the believer is enabled to live a victorious life and demonstrate Christ-like maturity.

    We believe in the present operation of the gifts of the Spirit that are listed in the New Testament and expect and encourage all believers to exercise their spiritual gifts to the edifying of the body of Christ.

    We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost: they that are saved will experience resurrection unto life and glory; the lost will experience resurrection unto eternal death and damnation.

    We believe that Holy Communion and Water Baptism are the two ordinances Christ gave to His Church. Water Baptism is by immersion in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost and is for individuals who have come to the conscious decision of faith in Christ. Holy Communion is a sacred supper whereby believers partake of the body of Christ in remembrance of His sacrifice.

    This sir is the core beliefs of The Ramp, copied off of their website. I did not write this to get into a scripture throwing contest, I wrote this to say that I am one of those “kids” that have been as you called to it a “soul at risk”. I am here to defend Damon Thompson and Mrs. Karen and everyone including myself that is associated with The Ramp. The Ramp is not a cult, and the people there love Jesus and want to see souls saved and lives radically changed by the power of God. I was living a double life strattling the fence between being lost and burning for Jesus. The Lord spoke to me through this man’s teaching, and I know that I speak for myself as well as countless others that The Ramp is doing the will of God. They teach Jesus, and if you don’t agree with their theology that is fine, We need to stop ranting and raving about what is right and what is wrong, as long as someone is teaching Jesus that should be all that matters. I agree with the sister who recommended for you to read “Envy” by Bob Sorge. My prayer for you sir is that you get wrecked by the power of God, that you stop looking at the outside but what is in the inside, and the fact is on the inside of Damon Thompson is God, and a man on fire for God and has dedicated his life to seeing peoples lives changed buy God. What’s inside of Mrs. Karen is God and a longing to see the youth of this country as well as the Lord radically changed by God. What’s on the inside of The Ramp is God, and Holy Spirit moves mightily in that place, because they don’t put a chain on Holy Spirit they let him control what goes on. The people of the Ramp have dedicated their lives to see awakening in this country. From feeding the people of Hamilton, to trying to economically stimulating the community, to pulling dead bodies out of tornado wreckage in April of this year. Their mission is to be Jesus’ hands and feet, to reach a lost and dying world out of religious complacency . These people are for real. I have heard many times that if your going through hell, and the devil is fighting you hard it’s probabaly because you’re doing something right and he is trying to stop you.

    September 3, 2011 at 10:19 pm
  • Kyle S says:

    I am so glad that I am able to leave a reply.
    “dvdbrumly” nice handle by the way.
    Could you tell me which strategy the devil uses more?
    Causing division in the church?
    or
    Building Devout disciples who’s number one pursuit is an intimate relationship with God?
    Thanks

    September 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    causing division would be my assumption Kyle. However, I would ask in return if the building of disciples is predicated on a teaching that division is necessary and good because of staleness, wouldn’t the devil then be playing a trump card?

    September 7, 2011 at 2:45 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    “From feeding the people of Hamilton, to trying to economically stimulating the community, to pulling dead bodies out of tornado wreckage in April of this year.” I know plenty of atheists and non-Christians who do those things each day and who were pulling bodies from the tornado wreckage as well. Does that make them Jesus’ hands and feet as well? What makes a Christian a Christian?

    September 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm
  • Called Forth says:

    You look like you know the Bible, the very living Word Of God. Why is it that in a response to one of your very first comments you say you judge him? Wasn’t it Jesus who said the words that still resonate today: “He who is without sin may cast the first stone.” ? I believe that if you would drop your guns and just stop, maybe you would see the way we see. God called us to be the Ecclesia, the ruling, reining Body of Christ. He calls us to stand for Him and encourage each other to dig deeper into Him and to share revelations or “new understandings of scripture or concepts” to help them move closer to Jesus. How can the Body function if it is so busy tearing each other apart? If I sound like I am judging, I am so very sorry. All I mean to do is show you how I see… the way God shows me. We are to build each other up. Ecclesiastes 2 talks about the times and seasons. Especially now, this is not the time or season to throw accusations at the body. Even if he is what you say he is, he will be exposed. The Bible says that it’s the glory of God to hide a matter, but it’s the glory of kings to search it out. God will bring things to light when necessary. 2 Corinthians 13 is the love chapter… Even Jesus didn’t throw rocks at the Pharisees.

    September 8, 2011 at 9:15 pm
  • MIke G. says:

    dvd…i know that the main issue is not about Mr. Thompson’s appearance. what some one looks like really makes no difference. especially if they are lost. Id rather have some one in tattered cloting with a righteous heart than some one in a suit and tie with an unrighteous heart. With that being said your going to wear yourself out trying to explain everything. The Bible tells us that false teachers will come. It was that way back then…today and in time to come. stay strong in sound teachings…refer to the scripture instead of defending your self. defend God’s Word! There is a video titled Damon Thomspon exposed. at the beginning of the video it shows “apostle” giving charge to some one stating that they will have greater revolations..greater power..etc. can you or any one else tell me where to go in the Bible to see if “man” has this authority to give such an annointing to some one???? i ask this because i struggle with certain issues. QUESTION?… What would be said if some other modern time well known “prophet” came out and said that the Lord gave them insight that people should stay away from Mr. Thompson or some one else? who would have more stock????

    September 9, 2011 at 9:15 am
  • daughteroftheking says:

    Not only is Thomson a false prophet along w/ Randy Hann of Celebration Church in Fresno ca, they are Satanist!IMHO! The huge sign in front of the church on Shaw ave is a symbol of Lucifer the “ALL SEEING EYE” and the dominos on the front of the building represent a form of fortune telling, witchcraft etc. Google Domino Deviation!
    I was watching a vid of Damon Thompson preaching and as he was teaching his false doctorine, threw up the
    blasphemous hand sign demonstraighting his allegence to Satan! Sorry to be the bearer of disturbing truths, however you do not have to believe me but please do the research for yourselves!

    It is not about a religion or a relationship its about Luciferian’s serving Satan and deceiving as many souls as possible leading them to hell! These men and their crew are nothing but your classic wolves in sheeps clothing!

    September 11, 2011 at 6:06 pm
  • Serously_DotK?? says:

    Holy cow, Damon threw up the blasphemous hand sign of Satan!
    Folks, what more evidence do we need?!!! You certainly can’t argue with that!
    Thanks dotk!

    September 11, 2011 at 7:19 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Can you show me the passage where Jesus, as you said “…Calls us to stand for Him and encourage each other to dig deeper into Him and to share revelations or “new understandings of scripture or concepts” to help them move closer to Jesus?”

    September 12, 2011 at 9:18 am
  • Serously_DotK?? says:

    dbrumley,
    I think you have me mistaken for someone else when you say ‘as you said’. I’m just someone with a good sense of humor. And by my guess so does who ever posted the daughteroftheking comment. I really don’t think that she (or he??) was being serious!

    So hey, thought I would have some fun with it also. Things do get a little serious around here!

    September 12, 2011 at 8:53 pm
  • daughteroftheking says:

    Hey Seriously I am very very serious this is no laughing matter! I would never post a comment like the one I posted if I didn’t fully 100% believe in what I am trying to expose here! The Bible also has many scriptures on not bearing false witness and I do search my own heart as well as seek the One True God our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ His Son The Messiah and the Holy Spirit Three in One for wisdom and discernment that He gives freely to those who ask!
    I have posted more comments along with video and pics that for some reason are not being processed through by the moderator and it is very power-full evidence! If who ever owns this site could let me know if there is a reason why the delay on moderating vital info concerning the brethren need to test every spirit for themselves…

    And by the way I am a female duh! Thus the “DAUGHTER” of the King and now Im playin a lil as I do have a God given sence of humor as well! ;P

    September 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm
  • Mohammad Loewe says:

    Great writeup! But what in the heck is going on with these crazy comments?? Anyways bookmarked :D

    September 30, 2011 at 4:38 am
  • steven says:

    when i went to the ramp and heard damon speak first hand. i was a drug addict i was full of lust negative i argued with my parents i was SO rebellious in EVERY way. when i left however i left with GOD my life was turned upside down i was full of love i respected my parents the drug addiction was completely gone. no longer did i spend hours in the night looking at porn. How dare you accuse Damon Thompson of being false you need to look in the mirror if you want to see a false prophet a wolf in sheeps clothing. We are suppose to be on the same team remember all you do is put people down, people that have done way more for God than im sure you ever have just because damon doesn’t resemble what your use to doesn’t make him false. you cant argue with results and im a living testimony that damon IS a modern day apostle if there ever was one just like heidi baker bill johnson and so on. You make me sick i hope God humbles you you arrogant pompous weak so called christian. you need to find Jesus cus this dream world your living in isn’t christianity at all not like Jesus intended it to be. Next time you have a thought of someone being a false prophet just remind your self who’s the one pointing fingers at everyone else. If you were to put half the effort into seeking God that you put into tearing the body of christ apart we wouldn’t be having this conversation. normally i would hold my tong but you need a reality check.

    October 2, 2011 at 8:16 am
  • Jason says:

    Wow, I just heard Damon this weekend at Celebration and I have to say that this Man is a Man of God. Not once did he claim he was something special, yet led others to Christ in service tonight. Many came to know Christ as their Savior. As the Bible states, All of Heaven rejoices when one person comes to the knowledge of Christ, let alone 30 or 40 in a service. I find that he (Damon) speaks from the heart and he backs his sermons up with Scripture, actually a lot of Scripture. I could hardly keep up. I find that a Man like Damon is powerful in the Kingdom of God and God is using him to do wonderful things. God bless.

    October 2, 2011 at 10:51 pm
  • joojoobean says:

    This type of blogging and bantering is why people are not believers in God or who don’t want anything to do with Christ or Christianity. How sad that from the outside, all we see is people bickering and arguing – slashing each other to bits with their tongue instead of loving one another as their bible teaches. Wielding the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God is a weapon for the heavens in true spiritual warfare, not for the tearing down of those supposedly within the same army.

    October 3, 2011 at 10:24 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    and what is “true spiritual warfare?”

    October 3, 2011 at 10:29 am
  • Wanda Mason says:

    Damon reminds me a lot of David Koresh by just looking at his picture. I was a member of a destructive religious Bible-based cult for many years and have been exposing it ever since I got out. I can’t judge this man by his photo and I haven’t studied enough about him to judge yet, but I do have some points on my website to check if there are any red flags.

    I never judge a church by doctrine because when it’s all said and done, doctrine is nothing else except some person or group’s interpretation, hence all the thousands of flavors in the world. But the number one thing I look at to judge if a group is a cult or the leader a cult leader is:

    How much control do they feel they need to have in your life?

    The second would be: Do they tell you have to give money or pay tithes to be saved.

    The third would be: Do they use fear, threats and intimidation to coerce the people to “get saved.” i.e. “You have to be part of our group. You have to give your money to us. You have to be “one of US.”

    There’s more but those are just a few. I sould suggest using this questionaire and honestly ask yourself the questions and answer honestly:

    http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/questionaire.htm

    on this Page: http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts.htm

    A person can be under mind control and have no idea whatsoever. I wish you all the best of luck here.

    Wanda

    “The truth will set you free”

    October 11, 2011 at 4:32 pm
  • Steven says:

    I am sure Damon Thompson is a nice man but he is a false teacher. He is a dominionist that goes outside the word of God. As a minister of the gospel it is our job to debunk false teaching(Please see most of Pauls epistles). The bottom line is that even though you get a good feeling from attending or hearing this man’s teachings….it does not mean it is biblical. I would imagine that most of the attendees at these meeting have never read or studied the complete word of God(using a word for word translation bible). Damon is not a prophet and needs to seek forgiveness for his false teachings.

    October 13, 2011 at 2:39 pm
  • Steven says:

    joojoobean,
    What do you think of Pauls writing in Galatians 1;8? “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
    The word accursed their in the greek means “damnation”. That’s is rough but the job of every true minister of the gospel is to protect the True Gospel of Jesus Christ and that means identifying error in others teaching to the body of Christ. Dominionist are wrong in their teaching and are a form of modern day Gnostics.

    October 13, 2011 at 3:22 pm
  • bereansearch says:

    Rarely have I heard a more absurd statement, “I never judge a church by its doctrine… doctrine is nothing else except a …group’s interpretation.” Please do tell me what in the world Paul meant when he warned us to stay away from others advocating a different doctrine, and also admonished to exhort with sound doctrine? That makes no sense! I am afraid “the Ramp” is just the beginning. There is a movement called the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) that is just as dark, if not worse. They claim to be the fastest growing “branch” of Christianity. If you know anything about Todd Bentley then you will understand when I say that they are “discipling” armies of youth to be the next Todd Bentley and Damon Thompson. I believe that this “trend” of the para-Church usurping the church is Satan’s next scheme on the horizon. As far as evil is concerned, false religion is just as good as no religion. These para-Churches are structured as dictatorships where the spiritual guru, err… leader, has no accountability and there is no chance of biblical church discipline for any discrepancies. If this is the new model for the “church”, it will be a more damaging blow to the gospel than the methodologies of Charles Finney have been.

    October 17, 2011 at 2:08 pm
  • Stephen Paul Smith says:

    Jesus didn’t see fit to reply to anyone that accused Him either. Just sayin…

    October 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    You should probably study your Bible a little more. Supposing you are referring to Christ’s mock trial before Pilate, you are correct. However, study his entire life. Much of his preaching as well as his miracles were testimony to the fact the He was who He said He was. Thanks for reading and for the comment.

    October 31, 2011 at 11:44 am
  • Walter says:

    @Wanda, You say you dont judge a church by its doctrine. So you dont care wether they believe in Jesus’s virgin birth, or the trinity, or in Jesus himself. This is basic bible doctrine that all Christians should know. When I go to a church the first thing I look at is what they believe. Doctrine is very important, never criticize doctrine.

    November 19, 2011 at 2:48 pm
  • joel says:

    point is even if dvd attack the man or who they are it does not remove the fact that damon is preaching the word wrong.. the word is the truth not man mad things… be smart christians

    December 1, 2011 at 12:37 am
  • Nadia says:

    It bothers me that folks take their precious time bath mouthing folks and bringing harm to their name, when the bible clearly speaks against this type of thing.

    I used to attend Global Destiny where he came to minister a while back and can I tell you the word of God he Spoke challenged my faith and inspired me back to prayer and my studies, and if that is false teaching then, wow, you must be hearing something that is causing your heart to be convicted and afaird to confront it-and the word speaks against that as well, so all I want to say is if you feel so strongly about how horrible and false he is pray “Man of God” isnt that what Jesus would do?

    Instead of boxing God in and creating your own speculation and interpretation of the word pray for God to correct what you think is wrong, dont get on a blog and bad mouth people you dont know to me that is evidence of a false Christian maybe even hipocritical…

    December 18, 2011 at 6:29 pm
  • Nadia says:

    God is in everything, why are we boxing him in to presuje that people should preach pray minister or teach just like the next one, that would be false…in Corinthians it clearly considers the thought that we ALL are meaning parts of the body and whatever “God gives” to us individually is still pertinant for the Kingdom of God – WHo I am and growing to be in Christ I dont want to minister like my mentor, or teach like her, I want God to download in me what he wants ME to have for HIS perfect will – - I dont understand why we sit around and believe that God is close-minde, “OUR” thoughts are not his “thoughts” we cannot even fathom the way he thinks, we can only get revelation from our day-to-day study that will enlighten inspire and grow us up as Christians…I dont beleive in wasting time walking around calling people false or wrong or whatever I beleive in paying for souls when I am not sure of or skeptical of…because Listen “WE” have “NO” heaven or hell to put ANYONE in – if what he minsitered on several occasions has changed my life, I think this is what God is concerned about..I want to reccommend a book, its called “The Shack”…itll change your life and thinking…and remember this while reading, God is in everything…whether you beleive it or not…the very people that you may not thinkk you can receive from are the very people he is sending to help change your heart…

    December 18, 2011 at 6:46 pm
  • Buck Cronkite says:

    Thanks for your undertaking. I think it’s warranted. Matt, who appears early on this thread, claims to know God’s word: “I am well grounded in the Word and a defendant in the authority of scripture when discerning between truth and error.” And yet, how can Matt mess up the simple gospel? I may not know God’s word as well as Matt, but I know the gospel of grace, the gospel by which man is saved, and where it is found: 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Read it and compare it to Matt’s gospel, the one he heard from Damon: He (Damon) believes that salvation comes through repentance of sin, belief in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and the decision to ask Jesus to come and take over our lives. Nothing added.

    Nothing added? You can’t be serious! First off, repentance of sins does not enter into God’s gift by grace, through faith in Christ alone. Salvation is of God, not our willingness to give up sin, repent of sin, follow Christ and make Him the Lord of our life. No, no and no. Any one of the above negates salvation as God’s gift, which it clearly is. If this truly is what Damon believes, he’s a false teacher. Want to know why? If the gospel isn’t entirely free — it ain’t the gospel.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:44 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Your reference of “The Shack” tells all that needs to be said about your discernment. “The Shack” is easily one of the most doctrinally unsound books ever penned.

    December 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm
  • Dakota says:

    So I wanted to say I go to celebration church and it is one of most powerful, word filled, word following, anointed, god seeking, JESUS PRAISING churches that i have ever seen. Pastor Randy Hand is a mighty man of god and don’t let this guy on a website tell you different. The sign on shaw is not an all seeing eya as daughteroftheking tried to accuse it of being in a different post. It is a C, the letter C for celebration. anyone with a brain can see that. look it up and judge for yourself, then type in all seeing eye and compare. They are 100% fact christians and not satanists. After every single service they do an altar call and ask people if they want to accept JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOUR, not satan lol. I want to know who out of you has actually been to celebration church? How are you going to judge a church you never been to. Since you know the word well look at 1 John 4:2

    “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God”

    Celebration church follows Jesus Christ not satan, and they are saving souls every week. In the last 5 years they have grown by at least 2000+ people and the number is probably much larger. More churches need to be like celebration, they are the most faithful group of people i know. They are saving drug addicts, fixing marriages, healing broken hearts and healing physical bodies. There are members who have been healed of cancer that was declared terminal, had healing restored in deaf ears, and got up out of wheelchairs. Look up “Mari Espinoza Testimony” on youtube to see for yourself.

    In the New testament Jesus said in Mark 16:17-18 – And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. -
    He didnt say these sign shall only accompany you 12 disciples during just the great comission. He said THEM THAT BELIEVE.

    Also the gifts of the Holy spirit have not gone away. Jesus appointed prophets and apostles in the book of acts after the ressurection. Look at Ephesians 4:11-13

    11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

    If Christ gave us gifts to build us into a perfect man, why would he take some away?

    December 23, 2011 at 1:45 am
  • Richard says:

    “Under the puppetry of Karen Wheaton Towe and an outfit out of Mobile, AL, Damon Thompson’s popularity and fame is spreading throughout the Christian landscape.”

    I’ve never heard of either Damon Thompson or Karen Wheaton until reading this article, and I don’t know if what you write is true. But I still want to add a comment.

    There is no good woman who is not guided by a good man.

    Only bad things happen when women are given authority over men.

    December 28, 2011 at 10:50 pm
  • David Alvalle says:

    Sir with all do respect I’ve followed Damon Thompson for a bit and alot of what he speaks is Revelation of this new generation and is actually biblical it is called the mysteries of God… If you expect this generation to be as the past generation where you just sat at a church and read words in scriptures then your gonna have to truly seek revelation from the Holy Spirit!! Interpretations were set in the church of Corinth by Paul because many people were speaking falsely in tongues its was NOT mandatory it was just established in that church to expose and put an end to false tongues now if your church does it then that’s fine and if not then that’s fine as well… Now as far as him being a false teacher many prophets including Jesus where accused of the very thing and they spoke truth… So how about if we sit here and consider you a pharisee because YOU cant not see in the spirit what Jesus is really doing in this generation?? I clearly see that you are strong in your word but are you are seeking the revelation that God has set forth for this generation?? This generation has seen healing and will continue to see it like never before and this includes the bring people out of comas and so on, and this generation will see manifestations of the glory of God here on earth and I believe many of us have, and this generation will see some of the greatest events in the history of world take place right before our eyes and before the return of Christ!!! AND WILL PEOPLE STOP ADDING ON TO DOCTRINES!!!!!!! If you are not following the Apostles teaching (doctrines) given to them by Jesus then your stuck in old time religion and are a modern day Pharisee!!!

    January 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm
  • Shannon says:

    I don’t think anyone has stated exactly where Damon got his teaching from. And the comment about his tattoos…. he speaks against sins and yells at people and claims to be a loving Christian… yet he himself has defiled the “temple of God” and is not “Loving his neighbor as himself”.
    You cannot call yourself a follower of Christ when you don’t “Love your enemies and do good to those who hate you”…. It’s in the book he holds up when he screams at homosexuals.

    January 18, 2012 at 11:23 pm
  • Vanessa says:

    I love that Damon is creating such a stir with his teachings. I’m not sure if I have heard one thing that he has stated that the Bible doesn’t back. Could he speak out of love a little more yes…but you know what? Since I have been introduced to his teaching it has stirred a fire under me to go more after God than ever before and oh how I have found him. The Bible teachs that sin seperates us from God and clearly Damon is trying to get us back to a place of Holiness. In our secret place…not how we appear on the outside.. I also love that you have taken it upon yourself to bring out the “bad” in him. Envy? Not sure…Dont care…but I also think maybe this was the enemys way of trying to again get people to just sink back and not follow the lifestyle Jesus wants us to..and he could be doing that through you….however by you posting this…you have many people praying for you. Can’t wait until God reveals to you so many things about the truth only if you will allow him to..

    January 24, 2012 at 2:18 pm
  • Micah915 says:

    Listen People, I used to be heavily involved in these movements. Damon was my favorite preacher, I listened to the Ramp everyday. I drove down to Alabama with my brother and sister to see them. Is Damon Passionate, yes, bold, yes, come against seeker sensitive type ministries yes, is there doctrinal error, yes and that is the problem. I was a youth pastor for 9 years and had to leave my church recently b/c it tolerated WoF Word of Faith teachers and doctrine. I was involved with IHOP, the RAMP, the CALL, ect. There are a lot of soundly saved people rapped up in these movements. The movements seem holy and righteous and serious and drawing you closer to God, but thats the delusion. They Preach another gospel, another spirit, another jesus. These movements are rapped up in what is called the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) do your own research. I’ve heavily searched for about 2 years now. I asked God to destroy my theology, my doctrines, that I didn’t want the doctrines of men but of God. I asked him to show me the true Gospel and make it clear among all the false muddied up false gospels, and He graciously redirected me to the truth of His Word. What these movements really teach and believe is astounding. I would have left a long time ago if I knew What they taught. Yes there are differences in these heresies that each group differs, but there are some major errors. I see now remembering the Ramp and knowing these teaching now that the heavily teach whats called Kingdom now or Dominion theology. They teach that they are going to take dominion over the earth so Christ can return. Some go to the extent of the manifest sons of God heresy. This says that Christ isn’t returning physically, but will return through his church, in essence we become Christ here on the earth and this last generation will move in supernatural signs and wonders and usher in the Kingdom. This is Blasphemy. I don’t think the Ramp holds to this extreme but none the less they teach dominion-ism. Other names are Joel’s army, omega children, latter rain doctrine. It takes on new names but its the same heresy and lie repackaged.
    I still believe in the gifts of the Spirit, but these movements are leading people astray. Look at Lakeland!!! Todd Bentely, WoF teachers finding out they are living a constant homosexual lifestyles and adultery, pastors divorcing and continue in ministry like no problem, these men fleecing the flock for all their money b/c they serve mamon and their own belly’s not our Lord. These are the men Jesus prophesied against saying DEPART from me you workers of iniquity i NEVER knew you. While they plead that they cast out demon, prophesied and did signs and wonders in His name. Jesus prophesied and warned us rightly about these men saying that false prophets would arise showing great signs and wonders and if possible even deceiving God’s chosen people. Please people flee the prophetic movement, WoF, NAR, the signs and wonders movement. Get back to the WORD its the plumb line for truth and the sure Word of God. Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John pleaded with us in the NT to take heed, fight for the truth, test the spirits, search the scriptures, and I plead the same to you!!! don’t take my word. I am nothing, even i must submit to the word and be corrected by it. i will respond to all who have sincere questions or sincere disagreement. The only thing is lets compare it to the Word.

    January 27, 2012 at 12:28 am
  • srvnt says:

    PLZ SPEND TIME WITH HIM AND AT THE RAMP AND U WILL KNW B4 U SAY ANYTHNG UR LIFES WILL BE CHANGED 4EVR I LOVE THE TEACHINGS AND THE TRUTH THT CHRISTIANS HATE TO HEAR HE’S A MAN OF GOD HE LIVES WAT HE PREACHES… CK UR OWN WALK WERE ALL GOING TO BE HOLD ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR OWN OUR OWN OUR OWN SO KEEP UR EYES OF OFF OFF OFF OFF MAN AND KEEP THM ON <<CHRIST << ALONE….DNT JUDGE MR THOMPSON BUT PRAY FOR HIM…..THNK U AND GBU

    February 5, 2012 at 9:01 pm
  • Jon Rodgers says:

    Well… Considering what has recently happened with Damon Thompson at The Ramp, this man is probably right on the money. I too used to listen to Damon, but because of the recent events and small bits and pieces of information coming out, it is clear that Damon is being controlled by his so called “spiritual fathers”. Dutch Sheets is not what he preaches to be that is for sure. Please pray for Damon that he listens to The Lord and not to those leeches that pretend to be his friends.
    The Ramp will continue and grow and God will bless it because it is having a enormous impact with the youth of this country and that is a good thing.

    February 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm
  • Micah915 says:

    I just posted back in January 2012. That was before Damon left the Ramp. We don’t know exactly why he left yet. It’s not necessarily bad, but I know it’s going to leave a lot of young people and people involved in the RAMP hurt and disillusioned. Please don’t follow men. Don’t follow movements, follow the Word of God. How do you know God more intimately, not merely through experience but through His Word. That’s how He speaks to you. Quit seeking signs and wonders, quit seeking the “experiences”, quit being blown about by every wind of doctrine. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks for a sign and that’s exactly what Jesus prophesied that the false anointed ones and false prophets would bring to deceive and if possible even the elect (God’s true church). That’s how deceiving these movements Jesus said would be. They will come in Jesus’ name, and prophesy in his name, and do miracles and good works in his name, but deny Him in their teaching and lifestyles. That’s the bad fruit they bear false doctrine and a lifestyle of sin. I’m not accusing Damon of sin but a majority of the leaders in the hyper charismatic hyper pentecostal movements today. I won’t say anything about someone unless its proven true. The Ramp does teach dominion/kingdom theology and that is error. Please i Beg you RUN from these movements!!! FLEE from these teachings!!! Read the WORD compare it to the teachers you love and cherish. Judge me by the Word. Test the Spirits to see if they are of God or not. Be like the Bereans who tested Paul to see if what he preached lined up with the WORD. Paul did mighty miracles from God, but the Bereans still tested him and Paul admonished them.

    These movements criticize and bring down mainline denominations and the rest of the church and make them look less spiritual than them. They say they are dead and doing no good. The demonize every person who dares question any teaching or thing done by them and label them a pharisee! They misquote scripture and say, “dont judge lest yea be judged”, “don’t touch God’s anointed and do his prophets no harm”, “Judge no man in anything.” READ THEM IN CONTEXT! I was lied to for years believing the same thing. Red flags went off when i Heard Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and Todd Bentely, but i was taught not to judge. The first in Matthew 6 deals with judging with a hypocritical self righteous judgment and yes God says that is wrong. But it goes on to say deal with the log (your own hypocrisy) in your eye and you will clearly be able to help your brother with the speck in his eye. It doesn’t say don’t deal with your brother’s speck and turn a blind eye, but to deal with your hypocrisy and sin and then you can HELP not condemn your brother. DO not touch Deals with the kings and prophets of God and it deals with physically touching them and hurting them which they killed most of the prophets.

    Listen the Bible teaches us to judge and use discernment, it’s even one of the spiritual gifts. Paul called out names several times in the word!!! The bible calls out false movements like the Judiazers (those who said you had to be circumcised and keep the law to be saved, and the Gnostic s ( those who deny Jesus’ humanity and say he came spiritually and the preach a hidden knowledge) like many of these teachers. Peter prophesied about these teachers who pervert the Gospel. These men deny the atonement on the cross, the make Jesus down to man’s level and bring man to God’s level and make him a little god!!! That is blasphemy! WoF literally teaches when your born again you become a little god and say it!!! They teach Adam was an exact replica of God a carbon copy not just made in his image. They teach Jesus suffered and was tortured in hell for your sins, not the cross!!! This is what the cults do! Charles Spurgeon the prince of preachers said, “Discernment is not discerning right from wrong, but discerning right from almost right.”

    Let the WORD of God Speak: (1 John 4:1-6), (Matt 7:15-23), (Matt 24:4,5,11, 23-26), (Mark 13:22), (Rev. 2:2), (Matt 16:4), (Acts 20:29-32), (Romans 16:17,18), (2 Peter 2), (1 Tim. 4:1), (2 Tim 4:1-5), (Titus 1:10-14), (Gal. 1:6-13), (2 Cor. 11:13-15), (Phil 3:18,19), (Col 2:8,18), (2 John 1:10,11), (Amos 8:11), (1 Tim 6:8-10), (JUDE), (Deut. 13:1-18), (Deut. 18:20-22), (Jer 14:13-15), (Jer. 23:1-40),

    Do I need go on? What does His Word say? Who is right? If you get mad its not because of me, but because the Word is a stumbling block and offense.

    Please I plead with you drop your pride, I had to myself and take the plank out of my own eye and seek God in repentance before He revealed the corruption in my own life and in the church. Research who you listen to. See what they really believe. Cults and false teachers use the same Christian terms but have radically different meanings. You have good saved people in all the mainline denominations, don’t let them tell you they are more enlightened and more anointed. I know Baptists and others that are more full of the Holy Spirit and His fruit and passionately love God more than most Pentecostals. Yes the American church is desperate for a true revival, but don’t go running after these false revivals like Lakeland. We need to wake up as a church, we need to repent and return to the word. What did King Josiah do when they found the Word Hidden in the temple for years? He tore his clothes and wept and cried out to God b/c Israel had gone astray from God’s Word. People of God Cry out to God for the church, cry out for those in these movements! When i found this stuff out I couldn’t sleep but went to the couch several nights and wept b/c of all the people who are deceived and all those who are lost going to hell who think they are saved. Please People don’t mock these people and those in the movements and compare them to Jim Jones. Plead with them and show them in the Word! Show them what they teach and compare it to the Word. Men would say for years Benny Hinn and others were false prophets but never said why. They never told us what they really believed and taught that was heretical and blasphemous. Don’t just say they are false, but reveal through the word why, so people know why and get out. Don’t beat them up and tear them down, but graciously show them.

    If anyone wants to talk just contact me.

    March 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Thanks Micah.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:56 am
  • ssr says:

    I have read most of the posts. Frankly, I am alarmed at the Biblical ignorance so readily displayed by the followers of Damon Thompson. Too, I am dismayed at the lack of willingness of these followers to completely investigate claims made by anyone, not just Thompson, concerning scripture and doctrines derived from it. The scripture does tell us to test the spirits to see if they are of God. There is no excuse for Biblical laziness.

    Perhaps the most disturbing thing that I see is that the Thompson movement is not based in Biblical ideas; from what I have seen it is based solely on emotions and the charisma of the teacher. The scripture teaches that we walk by faith and not by sight. I do not base what I believe about Jesus in the things I can feel, see, or touch. Satan is the great impersonator and has often appeared as light when he is not light at all. Rather he is the father of all lies.

    To be honest I am human, my perceptions have been wrong in the past and my feelings have lied to me about what is real. However, my faith is not founded on my feelings but in the principles of the word of God. God’s word does not change from season to season or from preacher to preacher.

    Dear friends there is nothing new, the Bible is complete. And so; when someone tells me they have a new revelation that is extra-biblical I already know that a lie is coming.

    I have been a pastor for over 30 years and in that time have seen movements like this come and go. There will always be flavors of the week where preachers are concerned. They have no staying power because their ministries are not based on the word of God but on charisma, emotion, poor study, and whatever the preacher of the week feels God is speaking to him whether it is found in the Bible or not.

    One final thought, the Apostle Paul in the book of Galatians said, “But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” What is the gospel? Jesus expressed clearly, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

    It is not Thompson or any denomination that saves mankind from sin. It is Jesus and Jesus alone. The same Jesus that gave salvation to my Grandmother is the same Jesus that saved my Dad. He alone is the one who saved me, and He alone has the power to save anyone who calls on Him.

    March 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm
  • Luke559 says:

    Damon Thompson is a false prophet. He is exactly what we are repeatedly warned to stay away from throughout the New Testament. The horrific, false messages he has taught at Celebration Church in Fresno, California fall right in line with what that cult wanted him to come out and teach. Celebration is all about wealth and riches and could care less about the true Word of God. We need to pray for Damon and all these false teachers that their souls not be lost for misleading so many!

    April 20, 2012 at 10:33 pm
  • brian says:

    all i know is the HOLY GHOST working through damon got me to repent and fall 110 percent in love with my loving ABBA FATHER . he helped me to realize what my savior went through for me on that precious wonderful day when He took my sins and my shame upon Himself and now i am a child of God. i am sold out to Jesus. so where would i be right now if i hadnt heard Holy Spirit through damon? drug addict , i lied ,stole all the sins man , i was a lost sinner. ..no one has got everything 100 percent dude . the only perfec person they crusified a long time ago. but if his mesg is getting people to Jesus and thier nature is love and forgiveness and praying for people like you and others on here pointing fingers and sweing discord among the brethern one thing God hates by the way. whats the prob? its rediculous that this msg has been going on for so long . repent . get a life man. where is the love. its like the damon group on here its like your wrong man and this is why but we love you and well pray and the non=damons is all judgmental and shows no love…..one lady was right in a pre post spend some time witnessing instead of this nonsense … like i said i know i am changed and cant noone tell me different . i thank damon for being obieiant to Holy Ghost and preaching the word so that i could respond and go to heaven and be with my Father who loves me. i hope to meet you there and iam sure damon does too

    April 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm
  • Leah says:

    I followed the Wof movement and every other movement that is anti holy spirit but I didn’t know it was wrong now I’m in prison because the Lord hardened my heart. It’s not fair.

    May 24, 2012 at 9:09 am
  • Chandler says:

    You know what? The only thing that matters is the fact that I went to a youth conference in Baton Rouge. Damon was one of the two speakers. I want to explain if he is a false prophet that many gave their life to Christ one day. Also, he opened the eyes to many and the Presence of the Lord was upon us. The Presence of the Lord isnt something that comes when a False Prophet is speaking. He speaks the truth and a powerful person of God that helps spread the word will be attacked by many. He is a mighty soldier of God so never forget that….

    June 25, 2012 at 2:09 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Will you please explain what you mean by “the presence of the Lord” Chandler?

    July 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm
  • Don says:

    dude. you are such an idiot… You should not be allowed to see a computer…

    go somewhere, but keep your stupidity of the web… judgmental idiot

    July 18, 2012 at 2:10 pm
  • Veronica says:

    Hi. I just read your post after I googled Damon Thompson and I just wanted to share some thoughts @ dvdbrumley and micah 915. First I appreciate you bringing out the fact that people need to really be aware of false prophets because they are definately out there. I have seen 3 pastors in the last year that have been removed from their position. The first was zachary tims who I watched on tv after I think he “overdosed” and passed away, the 2nd was Matt Pitt who I’m not sure if he was removed but he led the basement in bham AL which was a youth gathering where a lot of youth gathered and it has been on tv after he was arrested for apparently impersonating a police after he was pulledover using fake police lights on his car, and now Damon Thompson…. this saddens me very much but it goes to show that you must read the Word for yourself and pray to God that he opens your eyes to the right way. This is so important especially for people that are new to reading the bible and going to church. Because it is easy to get on the wrong track and follow man instead of Christ. I would like for your prayers as I am a new christian and would like to share a few words that may help others who read your post. I became a christian last yearafter I started going to church with my kids at our local church of God. They were already going and were happy there. There youth group is spiritual and they worship God. The church is somewhat spiritual but that is where I was having trouble. I was filled with the holy ghost at home after someone prayed with me and I was on fire for God. I was reading my bible everyday and praying/worshipping God at home and it was great. I didn’t feel like I could do this at church as much as I wanted to. My friend told me about the ramp. We went there and I loved it. Everyone was worshipping shouting like I did at home. I did enjoy damon’s messages. But I feltlike it was to complex/deep for me. A lot of big words and as a new christian I just felt like I would never get to be as close to God as they were. I deeply wanted to be but I was trying too hard. I live 60 miles from the ramp and after going a few times my husband who doesn’t go to church was just not liking me going there at all. He said he just didn’t have a good feeling about it and he said he was fake. He said if you have to drive 60 miles to see Jesus then you are doing something wrong. I couldn’t enjoy going to our local church because I was always making a comparison to the ramp. I prayed many times that God would find a way for me to go there if it was in his will. I just quit going to church alltogether because if I couldn’t go there then I didn’t want to go anywhere. But praise God I am going again and I am glad that God answered my prayer about going there. Obviously it was not in his will for me to go there. I have started going again to the church with my girls and on wed night I go in the youth room as do many other parents who like to worship the way they do in the youth group. I have started reading my bible again and its so important for people who don’t know the word as good to not lose focus of the real reason-God. There are so many deceiving people and the devil is working full force to destroy. I am not saying the ramp or pastor damon was false because I havnt listned enough to know but I am saying that if you have a strong feeling that its not the place for you then please pray and ask God to direct you. Its all about him, nothing more and nothing less. God bless you all!!

    August 10, 2012 at 1:35 am
  • Micah McDaniel says:

    Anyone that calls Damon Thompson a false prophet is a tool of the devil and full of ignorance, I know what I feel in my spirit and in every bone of my being when he speaks and the things that have happened in my life from hearing him and going to the ramp, Im not a follower of Damon or of anyone or thing on this earth, I believe in Jesus and I believe that Christ dwells in Damons spirit and speaks right through him, because I know what God speaks to me and the voice of God and the ways of Jesus and His personality is just like whats coming out of this mans spirit, you calling Damon a false prophet just shows me that YOUR A HATER and you need to get that thinking out of your life, better believe God has already seen what you have had to say and He sees your heart. You need to pray real hard, everyone that KNOWS your speaking ignorance is praying for you as well…..If you got an issue and you think that your stiff neck thinking is right, go to facebook and search up “Globe Seeker” or “navythug205@yahoo.com”

    August 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm
  • barrett says:

    I’m not here post anything about Damon Thompson or the bible. I here to talk about the requirements the Ramp impose on their so called students. (1) As all students must live off campus the Ramp reserve the right to enter a students home and inspect it,( don’t know what their looking for). (2) Women must wear long leggings under their skirts or dresses. jeans are acceptable. The guys can wear long shorts or jeans and shirts. The shirts must be plain or can have bibical symbols or quotes only (3) Dateing is frowned upon. (4) the young people can hang out togather if their of the same sex. If their of oppsite sex they must be in a group of three or more people. (4) Permission must be obtained from the ramp people to attend anything not Ramp related. An example of this being a 19yo man wanted to attend a Journey concert with his parents. He asked and was denied permission and a 50 dollor ticket went to waste. The can do and can’t do list is long, and subject to change. There is no handbook that list these restrictons. You just find it out after a parent has paided almost four thousand dollars in tution to the Ramp…I know these things because my daughter told me. She enrolled my 19yo granddaughter there in 2011. I could barely contain myself while she was telling me. The only thing going through my mind was cult,cult.

    August 23, 2012 at 10:17 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Micah, I am sorry that you think I am “a hater.” I hope you will begin comparing more of what you are hearing to the word of God.

    August 27, 2012 at 6:51 am
  • Corey says:

    I must say that this entire post is rather disheartening. Brumley, I was very disappointed in your way of calling Bro. Damon out as you did. I agree with Matts words as he said how terrible “Christian on Christian ” attacks are. I agree that we should reveal false teachers. But with all do respect I’m having trouble understanding WHY you have said all this. I’m not extremely familiar of Damon but I do resemble him in ways. I’m the senior pastor of a church. I’m 22the years old. Both of my arms are tattooed. I use my tattoos to share the gospel and have had that opportunity quite often. I preach the word. I love God. Do my tattoos and age disqualify me from speaking the word in truth and power?

    I have saw your comments and and have saw no good explanation for your comments. You seem to he attacking a man with no scriptural basis. I read through what little of your ridiculous comments as possible before I realized you are simply making everyone here feel as if they aren’t as intelligent as you make yourself seem to be. Scripture says meekness is a virtue. Love is kind. Where are these qualities in your criticism?

    You said that you tried contacting Damon and you received no response. No offense to you, but your so “proof”

    September 14, 2012 at 5:34 am
  • Corey says:

    You are so focused on having “proof ” but where is yours? Its kind of your word against his now isn’t it. I don’t like getting involved in all the internet criticism but this one just makes no sense.

    You seem to be good at making snide and vague follow up comments so now that I’m done…. GO!

    September 14, 2012 at 5:45 am
  • Julie says:

    woe, I’ve downloaded every podcast from Damon and I am very educated on the word. I think he is real. I could never image him talking about you or me the way you have him. I tell you the only one you exposed here is yourself. Out of the mouth the heart speaks. You have called him names and lost my respect before you ever begin. I feel some jealousy and envy on your part. I pray God will open up your eyes to it. Let go of bitterness, then you to can be made whole.

    September 16, 2012 at 3:43 pm
  • Layla says:

    God Bless you for writing this blog – I feel so bad for you that you have to wade through all this muck of people’s ridiculous comments and insults and attacks that are bashing you for your blog! With all their manipulative games of “judge not” and insane defense of this man Damon Thompson.

    He is so obviously a false prophet (more like wannabe prophet) that for you to have to help people discern that, is like trying to convince someone that an elephant is not a spider!!

    My concern is beyond this false prophet and more about what the heck is wrong with those of us can’t see through this man!!

    It is a major sign to me that personal experience (“all that matters/all that I know is that he helped me”) and emotionalism has replaced sound doctrine and a relationship with Jesus Christ. Who is not just some “white hot passionate lover” ready to indulge you!

    Focusing only on how Damon has helped you is proof that your loyalty is to a man who provided you with something that made you feel good or gave you the illusion of healing! To think “without him I wouldn’t have repented or come to Christ” means that you believe it’s Damon NOT GOD who led you to Christ!

    So – if Hitler provided me with medical care and paid for it himself and comforted me – all in an attempt to make himself popular so he could eventually further his evil plot – should I just focus on his power in heloing me or the Big picture of who he really is and what he’s all about!

    I’m not syaing Damon is Hitler (maybe?) but people all are the same! If they dont really desire Christ himself, they will always be looking for a new, different spectacular way to get rid of their guilt – and feed on “the presence of the Lord”…which can be so easily counterfeited by Satan.

    Read “War on the Saints” by Jessie Penn-Lewis – it’ll help!

    September 17, 2012 at 11:02 am
  • Layla says:

    Also – reading some of these comments really breaks my heart – because these people (like Micah) seem so sincere in their love for Christ – and really believe that God is using this man to help them. Not realizing just how cunning Satan really can be. He knows what we desire and what will win us over and uses that – shamelessly!!

    I know this, because for a few years when I was a new Chirtsian, I had no idea how much of my spiritual experiences were mixed in with demonic doctrines and manifestations – because they felt holy. They felt real and euphoric. They felt and seemed so clearly from God – I knew in my “bones” it was from God!

    And then I began comparing ALL of my beliefs and experiences with scripture – and God began to expose the deceptions of Satan in my life. With my intelligent co-operation with the Holy spirit I was freed from this stuff.

    Almost impossible to do unless one is willing to choose THE TRUTH over their most cherished experience!

    September 17, 2012 at 11:12 am
  • Layla says:

    And thank you so much Micah915 for your comment – my earlier comment about Micah being deceived was to Micah McDaniel.

    September 17, 2012 at 11:29 am
  • Lenny says:

    Your description of Damon”s teaching is on target he is a false something, I do not know if I should use the word prophet One of the things he is doing now is he is a spiriual father to the Chapel in the Woods in Leesburg S C.
    I have never heard him in person but I have listened to his podcast and all I can say is wow and young people are buying into it because they do not study Gods word they take for granted what someone like Damon tells them.

    Keep up the good work
    God bless

    September 19, 2012 at 7:29 pm
  • molifi says:

    But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.<>

    October 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm
  • Charles Buzbee says:

    and the point of your post is? I just saw Damon Thompson at Bethany Church in Baton Rouge and he is dynamic. Go to the bethany church website and check out the video of his sermon. He tells it like it is. Maybe some people do not want to hear the truth but Damon Thompson told the truth. I think he is great.

    November 6, 2012 at 9:42 am
  • juan says:

    please continue exposing these false prophets….for they appear as angels of light…

    November 30, 2012 at 12:19 am
  • Dave says:

    I know Damon. I grew up around him in his hometown. Loved his parents. I was there when he underwent his conversion and started his ministry early in 1996. He’s always been this way…nothing new.

    January 2, 2013 at 3:12 pm
  • Dave says:

    He did the same things here before he moved on.

    January 2, 2013 at 3:19 pm
  • Greg says:

    Contrary to modern popular opinion, Jesus would look and act (in character) the same today as He did in Biblical times.
    Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.”
    And for those who believe Jesus would be or was physically beautiful or alluring consider Isaiah 53:2 “…He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him…”
    Seduction with words and promises of great things are sins of Satan.

    January 6, 2013 at 1:35 pm
  • Ladybird says:

    I see now how men waste so much time to bring down other men and for whose glory? Remember you are the one bringing this “revelation” to light not God, your words are being lead by you, not God. You sir look for the words you seek but not through the working of the spirit. So I only pray that you may be delivered from your ignorance and should you reject the truth, then I also pray that your ignorance be shut close and that your words shall not take the glory of God away from his children, that the hope they’ve found through Damon Thompson working for the spirit of God are even more affirmed because the doubt you speak has no power.
    And what is the word of God without his authority?

    January 6, 2013 at 7:59 pm
  • Lauren says:

    I have been to the ramp MANY times and I must say first I would NEVER use the word “Prophet” to describe Damon Thompson. We started going to the ramp when I was in College in the early 2000′s when it first began. Damon came and spoke at our church in Hattiesburg, MS numerous times and chosen worked directly with our teens. We traveled to Hamilton several times and helped out with the filming of their first Chose DVD. I can tell you one thing when the Ramp first started with Damon he was a TOTALLY different person. Sincere, and knowledgeable, since then the only thing that comes to my mind is CULT. He has taken his small fame and ran with it, deceiving so many easy to target people. He does not teach truth majority of the time and has built up his “Army” of followers for his purpose NOT Gods. I believe the Ramp has the opportunity and the means to change lives, but it has lost sight of why it started and sadly has lost it’s way. Just as many Cults and Cult like groups in years past! I pray people will open their eyes. I have 2 friends who went through The Ramp and did their program/school One of which is not in Christian therapy for mental issues she developed while there. This is truly sad and I pray Damon finds his way back to fulfiling God’s purpose for his life and not being blinded by insanity and small fame!

    January 28, 2013 at 3:37 pm
  • Lauren says:

    And just to clarify the other friend who went through this program, sadly took her own life Dec of 2010 leaving behind a precious little boy!

    January 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm
  • dvdbrumley says:

    Lauren, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue. I am very sorry about the loss of your friend. I am very interested to hear more about her and her passing. If you would like to share more privately please e-mail thispilgrimland@gmail.com

    God Bless You

    January 29, 2013 at 9:58 am
  • D says:

    Damon is almost 40 now; he graduated in 92, a few years ahead of me, he started preaching when he was 21 in 1995 at a little church on Highway 31 in Prattville, just north of Montgomery. Never had any training, just underwent a religious conversion, felt a calling and jumped into the pulpit, originally wearing Wranglers, boots and a big belt buckle when he preached. Later he started wearing very fancy suits, but after he left here he started going with the tattoos and dreadlocks. He used to pick on me some but it was mostly good natured, we also had some fun together I think. He was always a gifted, charismatic speaker who could draw crowds and invoke an emotional response, even if his messages were a bit simplistic and superficial, more about slogans and yelling than theology, but his style was more motivational than in-depth, like a cheerleader. Within a little over a year of the start of his ministry our little church was on fire, we believed it was the start of an earth-changing revival, we were having services six times a week, and he preached in most of those. And soon people were calling us a cult, too. The revival started fading after a while. I don’t know what happened but at some point there was a quiet falling out with the head pastors, sometime around 1999, he disappeared and they never talked about him again. After he got married he briefly lived next door to my girlfriend, and I have seen him only a few times since then. The church continued to grow after he left and became a major local ministry reaching thousands. Of those original few dozen who started with him, I know a few whose lives really changed for the better, and a few who grew bitter and disillusioned over the experience. I don’t blame Damon or the other pastors for that; they certainly made mistakes, they were young, but I think they meant well and each individual is responsible for himself. I know full well first hand that Damon is far from perfect, in fact I know that even years into his ministry he has done things that I have a hard time reconciling with his message. But I also believe that God can and does use imperfect vessels. The Bible is filled with examples of servants of God who also committed terrible sins. I am very hesitant to speak against someone who I think may be being used by God, because whatever his faults are, those are between him and God and none of my business. I don’t believe that Damon is a full-on con artist, and I do hope that God does use him to help some people. I don’t think Damon is right about everything he teaches, I think by the nature of his magnetic personality some people around him get a little too into him instead of God, and I think there are certain pitfalls in his style that sometimes trip him up; maybe he get caught up in his own ego and hype sometimes. He’s human. He doesn’t have much credibility with the people he grew up with, and as far as I know he never visits or preaches in our hometown anymore. I wish that weren’t the case. His parents are really good people, we all love them, and his dad in particular had a very positive impact on most of the young men who knew him, as our football coach. So if only for their sake, I sincerely hope that Damon is serving God and doing what God wants him to, the best he can.

    January 29, 2013 at 10:51 am
  • Paul says:

    All I can say is this……I have had some serious encounters where the presence of The Lord has showed up when I am all by myself (just me and Him) all while listening to Damon on podcast. Not that it is cuz of Damon himself but he carries an annointing. These times a value greatly. Who knows, if I hadn’t been listening to Damon at that time, would I have been that communion with the Father and would my relationship be what it is today? Step outside of your box man…c’mon. Christ was bashed in his day and called a false teacher and He is the Messiah. Thank you Jesus!

    March 19, 2013 at 8:11 pm
  • Vikki Peeples says:

    I attended Spring Ramp @ The Ramp this weekend with my 2 teenage sons and a friend of theirs who recommended it! I grew up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church; which is by the very definition a cult! The worship leader, Catherine Mullins, was awesome I thought, but as the service went on, a few people behind me and some of the leaders/students on stage kept chanting over and over “bada, bada, bada…; I have never experienced hearing someone speaking in tongues, but something told me to get out of there! I totally agree with you and I believe it is a cult and I am scared for all the young people that flock to this place! I did not hear the man you are speaking of ‘preach’, but the one’s that were there also seemed a little off! One of them was Casey Doss, who looked very disheveled when he walked onto the stage; looked like he just woke up or on something. I didn’t go back to the next 2 services cause my older son wasn’t feeling well, but I went to the last service, and Perry Stone was the speaker. I was in turmoil when I left there and could not sleep b/c of what I experienced; people jumping up and down, 1000 + people speaking in tongues at the same time and people falling out in the floor!

    March 25, 2013 at 10:13 am
  • Lilia says:

    Dear ones! Beware of what you say about your brother Proverbs 12:14 and 14:30..If you are the follower of Jesus ,your soul is at stake..read about “new wine” generation.

    April 4, 2013 at 7:54 am
  • Avi says:

    In your efforts to reveal false prophets you have become a slander. You just call Karen wheaton a puppeteer for an unexplained reason and begin to trash his fashion sense aswell.There’s nothing wrong with dreads, braids,straight hair or pigtail. As long as their not a part or your worship, like Rastas. It’s just a hairstyle and for the record not my preference either! I don’t believe tattoos are ok but it’s not grounds to be hung, drawn and quartered.The way you have written this article has made you come across as a gossip, just saying!

    August 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm
  • Robert says:

    Slap yourself

    September 14, 2013 at 6:17 am
  • Zach Roberts says:

    I understand that you read these messages with the full expectancy that people are going to disagree with you, and with that expectancy you may not take into heart the comments. I have had opportunities to hear Damon Thompson speak. I believe the reason people don’t like him is because he puts it how it is. On his appearance, does that really matter? He is modest, that is all that matters on that. I have had to sit countless times and see people who minister the Gospel the way it needs to be ministered, get attacked. Another example would be Bill Johnson. As for speaking in tongues. There is the gift of speaking in tongues and the gift of interpreting; they do not have to go together. You can do them separately. Now Karen Wheaton, I did not appreciate you depicting her as a puppet master. She is a very kind lady and I have been to the Ramp… There is no denying God’s presence is alive in that ministry. Please e-mail me and lets diasuss this.

    October 19, 2013 at 12:43 am
  • John says:

    Damon Thompson is the real deal.

    October 25, 2013 at 4:42 pm
  • Missy says:

    I have no comment on Damon Thompson. I am not here to qualify or disqualify him. My concern and question is about something you said in one of your early comments its was ” however, the age in which he uses man to perform miraculous wonders has passed. ” you also said to look to the new testament for that. I found that Jesus says greater works will you do I have no where found where it says that there was a time limit to that please show me where it says there is a limit to the miraculous wonders he will use man for.

    December 4, 2013 at 11:01 am
  • De says:

    If we are suppose that Damon is a “false prophet” by what he has said,”Which I do not always agree on what he says, but from what I see I only disagree on what he theologically thinks, and not what he states as facts” how do we explain the healings that happen at the ramp and other places he teaches? dvdbrumley please answer this?

    January 4, 2014 at 2:12 am
  • dvdbrumley says:

    You will need to specifically document some of these healings you speak of De.

    January 17, 2014 at 5:28 pm

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